Expansion Pack Civ: Canada

[KrazyHorse]

Not that I'd put Canada above the Spanish, Mongols, Scots, Vikings, Dutch, Carthaginians, Phoenicians or Portuguese, but I can't possibly imagine the Australians getting higher billing.

[siredgar]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Not that I'd put Canada above the Spanish, Mongols, Scots, Vikings, Dutch, Carthaginians, Phoenicians or Portuguese, but I can't possibly imagine the Australians getting higher billing.

Canadians ahead of Koreans, Turks, Khmer, and Huns?

[Jason]

Canada's as worthy as a zillion other potential civs, but quit stuff like "We beat you in 1812" etc.

It'll just start stupid fights and lead to bad feelings. We were still a pretty organic part of Britain at the time. While the conventional US view of the war isn't that accurate, stuff like "We burned Washington, nyah nyah" from fellow Canadians makes me sigh. Such things have to be viewed in early nineteenth century perspective.

Anyway, historical rant /off.

[Jason]

Incidentally, for UU I would suggest a 7.10.1 infantry. 8.10.1 would probobly be a little excessive.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Jason
Canada's as worthy as a zillion other potential civs, but quit stuff like "We beat you in 1812" etc.

It'll just start stupid fights and lead to bad feelings. We were still a pretty organic part of Britain at the time. While the conventional US view of the war isn't that accurate, stuff like "We burned Washington, nyah nyah" from fellow Canadians makes me sigh. Such things have to be viewed in early nineteenth century perspective.

Anyway, historical rant /off.

Ummm....I was kidding....

Anyone who seriously gets worked up about a 190 year-old war which preceded the most trusting international relationship in modern times needs to chill.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by siredgar


Canadians ahead of Koreans, Turks, Khmer, and Huns?

Ahead of Khmer and Koreans, behind Turks and Huns

[Jason]

I've seen a ton of extremely non-chilled flame-wars about that exact subject, actually.

[arborman]

Ok, let's look at the objective data. Canada is the second largest country in the world. Yet it is also one of the most peaceful. So a good civ mod would be some reduction of corruption or other penalties for a large civ. Also, Canada is effective at dealing with people from other civs, so some sort of assimilation bonus might work in the game. As for the "you don't even have a culture" jibe, that is from people with no conception of any culture that isn't based on hollywood or cheese. Yes, it's possible to have a culture that doesn't involve millenia of treating others badly (ie killing them). (Though the iroquois might say otherwise) As for a UU, maybe an early game voyageur, but rather a mid-game shock infantyrman, and extra attack point or something. Think Vimy. Failing that, maybe some sort of resource bonus.

[Jason]

My guess for traits would be religious industrious or religious commercial.

Religious for "orderliness," what can I say. Commercial or industrious to represent prosperity. I'm not sure which I'd rather have. Probobly commercial.

Good UU would be WWI era infantry, not sure what the best title would be, but 7.10.1 seems like good stats. Little extra kick without it being unreasonable.

One drawback to this is that you can't upgrade to UU... and not being able to upgrade to infantry from riflemen would be a *****! Trust me, as the French it's a pain not being able to upgrade pikemen.

[PMGretzky]

I think the Canadian UU would have to be the mountie it could be an upgraded version of the cavalry.

As for Canada being a worthy civ...It was included in CTP, mind you so were a lot of others.

Arguing over this is pointless...including a civ is designed to appeal to a certain segment of the gaming population, the more included civs the better everyone can relate to the game.

That being said Canada is a G8 country that has a very clearly defined history. Canada invented peacekeeping and includes many promenant figures over the last 2 centuries as it's citizens including Alexander Graham Bell, Banting and Best (Nobel prize winners, discovered insulin), Lester B. Pearson (Nobel Peace prize winner, invented peacekeeping).

How exactly is Australia more worthy than Canada? Canada is the 2nd largest landmass, member of NATO, NORAD and never a penal colony.

I think everyone who wants their country included has a case so bashing countries is pointless.

BTW Wernazuma III I don't think anyone here is DEMANDING anything...just throwing out ideas. Not everyone knows how to make mods so I have to rely on someone else...that's what the ideas are for .

[dexters]

Originally posted by Puritan
Very productive response...

I'm sure there are a lot of gamers out there who want to include there own nation, regardless of whether it qualifies under someone else's definition of "civilization".

Puritan, this is the kind of people I get annoying with. The kind of off hand dismissal of Americans and Canadians is the sort of sentiment I'm pissed off about and is a major topic of discussion in my other thread.

But whatever. People can choose to stick their head in the sand and pretend we don't exist outside their myopic little world.

To us, they don't exist either, so it works out. And we've got the power

[Solomyr]

i like canada just fine so the rest of you big headed americans...BACK OFF!

their isn't any need to get our panites up in a bundle if the canuks want their own civ in the game (definitly with color red). but i would suggest, if this isn't already being put to use, that the canadians work among yourselves and put out a canadian civ. beside, sooner or later when i make an acutrate, kickass map of north america, we will need some people north of the border.

[The Eliminator]

Very cool idea guys! I love the UU as shock infantry, just like Vimy - Bravo!

As for traits, I would definately say industrious and commercial. I don't think religious is a good one, as the Yanks are much more religious than us, and it isn't one of their traits. You could also change commercial to scientific, we've had more than our fair share of inventions.

It should be easier for Canadians to build hospitals, but on the flip side, there should be a mandatory tax man in every city!

I'd definately download a Canadian civ, I would also go for an Australian one too. Two civs that deserve more play in this game than the Indians or Iriquios.

[Method]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Live with it: Canadians live in the woods.

oh! thats right! thats why we're all using COMPUTERS!

[KrazyHorse]

As for traits, I would definately say industrious and commercial. I don't think religious is a good one, as the Yanks are much more religious than us, and it isn't one of their traits. You could also change commercial to scientific, we've had more than our fair share of inventions

Well:

Religious was a very good idea. It represents the fact that our society is much more "stable" than a lot of other societies. There's always been a fairly strong emphasis on Peace, Order and Good Government up here. No violent revolutions etc, which is well-represented by a Religious civ's orderly transition from one government form to another. I think the second civ trait should be Industrious. Canada has a long history of giant public works projects.