Apolyton ExtraCivs Pack: German Unique Unit

[Ecthy]

polytubbie = Apolyton poster

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
some Polish polytubbies do

Well, to be honest, I find the atmosphere here at Apolyton to be slightly more "intense" (I am not speaking about my compatriotrs at the moment only, but in general) than at the Europa Universalis Paradox forum I also participate in. I think that is might be a matter of age

[Ecthy]

he said Germans like to live by Goebbel's mottos

[Jayis Solis]

just for the sake of discussion

What about a powerful artillery piece, in tribute to the "Big Bertha" gun in WWI?

I don't think there is any UU that is artillery?

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
he said Germans like to live by Goebbel's mottos

Which is silly, obviously. Anyway, I have an impression that many discussions I had at Apolyton quickly deteriorated into insult fests (and I was not ALWAYS a guilty party )

Nice sig. Btw, the proper phrase should be "pinko-commie-fairy-******"

But let's come back to the topic, or Mark is going to ban us.
As I said many times before, Germans should have Teutonic Knight as their CSU - IMHO the Holy Roman Empire was the Golden Age of the German civilisation, as it basically dominated (either directly, or indirectly, through political and religious influence) much part of Europe, including Italy and many Central-Eastern European countries (IIRC, even the English King paid hommage once to Frederick Barbarossa).

If we were going far enough, we could than make Germans Scientific and Religious (reflection of their influence in spread of Christianity) and give them Bach Cathedral to trigger the GA (by making it a Scientific and Religious wonder as well). I know this would be a bit of a stretch - but Chinese were made Militaristic for the same purpose - to have the Great Wall as the GA trigger.

[GePap]

Case for Grenadiers

Several people have said that the Prussian army of the 19th century was not better than anyone elses, so therefore the Prussian grenadier should not be the UU. Well, for starters, the Jaguar warrior of the Aztecs men weren't faster then other men, so why does their warrior have 2 movement? This is to conceptualize and make abstract the qualities that made the Aztec military great and its mobility and dedication (plus the warrior ethos that was given to children from birth) was why we can think of their warriors as having move 2. Ask yourseves why the Panzer has that extra move? The rgeatest blitzkrieg successes were in France and early in Barbarrosa and both those times the Germans had less tanks, and in many ways, inferior tanks (Pz II's and PZ 38's of the French campaign were technically inferior to the Char B1 and Somua 35's of the french, and we can't even compare the Pz 38 or Pz III to the T-34 or KV series) but they won because of better training, superior command(from the general staff, a Prussian invention) and better communications, thus the added movement point. The argument for Grenadiers is not that the Panzer should not be, but that the German golden age should be in the Early industrial area at least (the Romantics) and that was also a golden age of German nationalism (warped by Nazi times) so the German UU should be an early industrial age not a late industrial age. The same reasons that would give the Panzer an extra move (better C&C and training) would also give the German UU +1 movement. I say a riflemen with +1 (and spiked helmet ) which would give the Germaan great tactical ability in that age since they could better coordinate with offensive units in the field and secure land faster.

[Ecthy]

thing is, Germany didn't exist in the early industrial age

[Aurel]

what about a little fat brewer (stealth unit) who tricky weakens his enemies with evil yellow alcohol so they can only move forward in zigzag four the next 3 rounds (while loosing all their attack capabilities...and well also their defense capabilities)

[Mankind]

Keep the Panzer but rename it (FE to Tiger or another specific model)

why not?

[d_dudy]

Originally posted by El Awrence
d-dudy:

panzerkampfwagen?

yeah! i think it was a danish? poster who said that's what their tanks are called during the "should the panzer be the german UU?" thread


(not exact quote)


are you danish, El Awrence?

[molly bloom]

The German UU should be a baker who scatters Honigkuchen and Lebkuchen thus distracting opponents who stop and eat and get killed.... or perhaps Linzertorte...mmmm.....

[GePap]

Well,obviously

Ecthelion

Yes, the German Reich did not exist until Versailles, jan 1871 but what we play in Civ is not 'Germany' but the German civilization, which did exist. Why else the Congress of Frankfurt in 1848 or the 'Holy Roman Empire of the Germans'? Beisdes, many civs in this game did not exist as unified countries or as groups at all until long after 4000 b.c. but we play them anyway, so this is a technicallity and moot point to boot.

[Dr. Nick]

dudy, NO! I'm Argentine! I just play waaaaaaay too much Panzer General 2.

BTW, not the Tiger or Panther as I think that the T-34 outclassed it, better the PzIII or PzIV, which were revolutionary designs when they stepped off the production line.

[Jason]

Naw, the T-34s that the Tigers and Panthers faced weren't as good as they were. The Josef Stalins and T34-85s were the first really competitive ones I think.

The T-34s were a better weapon in overall terms but on the battlefield I don't think there was a WWII tank that actually outclassed a late model Tiger in combat. Pershings and Stalins included I think. Assuming it was gassed, kept its treads on, and got built in the first place. Maybe an expensive toy when cheaper tanks would have done more good (more Panthers, PzIVs) but it was still the best.

Anyway, point is, "Panzer" is actually a nice, general UU that is very good. One of the more apt UUs that actually got into the game.

I'm carefully wiping the Germans out now at the same time I'm researching Tanks. I don't want naughty Mr. Bismarck to be building any 12-8-3 monstrosities on my doorstep

[d_dudy]

Originally posted by El Awrence
dudy, NO! I'm Argentine!

i know, i know, i was just kidding with you. wasn't it you gianny was arguing with about one of the south american nationalities?