Apolyton ExtraCivs Pack: Americans

[Locutus]

Read my first post in this thread for an elaborate introduction: if we make an Apolyton Pack for Civs, should modern civs that were once European colonies (in particular the Americans but it also applies to Canadians, Australians, Mexico, Brazil, etc - should it ever become an issue) have a chance of being included in the mod?

[Wernazuma III]

Though not particularly an americanophile, I've voted for the Americans and against other former colonies. Not out of some principle but whether you love them or hate them, one thing cannot be denied: You can't get rid of them. No other former colony would be important enough to be one of 16 or even 32 World-Civs.

[Trachmir]

If were going to clean house, I suggest that a certain cut off date be set... say 1000AD. If you weren't around by then, your not in the game. This would also mean losing all industrial/modern special units!

Oh, and the civ uses the name of pre-1000AD, not post.

[Skanky Burns]

I believe there should be representatives from all the continents in the world, excluding arctic/antarctic (wouldn't be fun starting surrounded by ice).

This means that Australia should be in, or at least the Aborigines, whom have occupied Australia for at least 30,000 years.

[Locutus]

Trachmir,
So you're saying you would remove the following civs from the top 50 (or top 32, after removing them)?

Aztecs
Iroquois
Zulus
Americans
Russians
Spanish
Mongols
Incas
Turks/Ottomans
Portuguese
Dutch
Poles
Malians
Austrians
Australians
Sioux/Dakotas
Magyar/Hungarians
Brazilians

[KaiserIsak]

USA should be in for filling up the American coninent.
And so should the incas.

[LoD]

Locutus: the official date recognized as the year of the creation of the Polish state is 966 AD. Just a sidenote a propos your list .

[Locutus]

LoD,
True but they weren't exactly a world power in those first 30 years were they? Of course people lived in the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Mali, Russsia, etc. as well (even had some degree of independence in most cases) in 1000 CE but none of these civs were of any real significance. This is what I was referring to and what Trachmir seems to refer to as well (but I could have misunderstood him).

[Wulfram]

Considering I'm against England being in because it's a German colony, it's pretty obvious I'm against the US and other colonies

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Trachmir
If were going to clean house, I suggest that a certain cut off date be set... say 1000AD. If you weren't around by then, your not in the game. This would also mean losing all industrial/modern special units!

Oh, and the civ uses the name of pre-1000AD, not post.

Luckily the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) were a distinct people from around 900 AD when they started to turn to agriculture.

[LoD]

Locutus: I must dissent. First of all, to clarify, the Poles were united some time before that date.
Secondly, Trachmir said "if you were around", not "if you were a major world power".
Thirdly, were the Germans a major world power at that time in your opinion? You have not included them in the list, which indicates that. If so, what does it tell you about the might of the young Polish country if it kicked German ass in the battle of Cedynia, 972?

Sorry I am straying of topic, but I must make my point for the simple reason my national pride has been hurt .

[Dr. Nick]

*snifs*

Argentina isn't even mentioned...

*snif*

[PMLF]

The Inca Empire survived only about 2 or 3 centuries, but Brazil is 500 years old and it is the greatest power all over World Southern Hemisfere.

So, Brazil must be included.


These are in my opinion the most important Civs in American continent history:

1) The USA
2) Brazil
3) Aztec Empire
4) Mayan Empire
5) Mexico
6) Argentina
7) Incan Empire

8) Guarani tribes
9) Inuits
10) Paraguay (strongest Larin America army in 19 th Century)
11) USA native indians.


12) Canada and the others

[Trifna]

I'd include only USA.

It really developed a predominant culture (so much that many country don't like it at all). And it is pretty distinctive.

[jasev]

I've just voted and I discoverd the "anglo-only" option is winnig. Do people really think anglo-colonies are the only true ones and the spanish and portuguese colonies aren't? If so, this has two interpretations:
a) Ignorance
b) Racism
I'll suppose it's the (a) option.