Complete list of leaders, gleaned from editor

[d_dudy]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Noooooooooo!!!!!
The civ is called "Iroquois", not "Amerind" (and not "Iroquis" either ).
There are plenty of real Iroquois military leaders to pick.

ah, but they are representative of all north american indians! but (insert any name here) asks "then why are they called the iroquois?"

because if they were called american indians then it would make sense!

[Imran Siddiqui]

They were called Iriquois because naming a civ "Native Americans" would be utterly stupid looking. Why don't we just call a Civ "Europeans" then?

[d_dudy]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They were called Iriquois because naming a civ "Native Americans" would be utterly stupid looking. Why don't we just call a Civ "Europeans" then?

if they had the french representing the entire continent of europe with great leaders like ceaser, alexander, and frederick i would want them called europeans.

matter of opinion, i guess. native american doesn't sound to damn bad to me

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They were called Iriquois because naming a civ "Native Americans" would be utterly stupid looking. Why don't we just call a Civ "Europeans" then?

Err, that should be Iroquois, not Iriquois.
But indeed, if we would have a tribe called 'Native Americans', surely a tribe 'Native Europeans' in an equally small part of the world would be called for. The only other tribe in the area would be the Hungarians.

[Dinner]

Re: Leaders

Originally posted by Delthayre

Boudicea, BOUDICEA, the name is spelled Boudicca and she was Celt, I really don't think she belongs with the English at all.

Yep, Boudicca was a Celt not English; also the fact that they included William Wallace as an ENGLISH general is absolutely unforgivable. Haven't these people ever read a history book?

[master on high]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Noooooooooo!!!!!
The civ is called "Iroquois", not "Amerind" (and not "Iroquis" either ).
There are plenty of real Iroquois military leaders to pick.

Well...that's all I saw. It's a rather Euro-centric book (although Europeans have been in a few more wars than other cultures). I didn't pretend to think they were actual Iroquois, and that's why I noted them as such.

I wanted some more French and English generals (that's what people seemed to be complaining about), so I concentrated on those. Just compiling information.

[Furtigan]

One might better ask whether or not the NAs had a "civilization" in the sense that the game has: cities, libraries, temples, palaces.


I think somebody went overboard with the names; First, you don't need more that a half-dozen per civ. Second, I think my computer might crash if it had to say "... a new leader, Harold Rupert Leofric George Alexander, 1st Earl Alexander of Tunis."

[Giovanni August]

Originally posted by master on high
Romans:
Badoglio Pietro, Duke of Addis Ababa (WWII commander...I dunno if Italians would work for the Romans though)
Farnesse, Alessandro, Duke of Parma (Another Italian)
Graziani, Rodolfo, Marchese di Neghelli (ditto)

Are you sure you can put Italian leader into the Roman list?
It is like putting English leader for a Celts civ or viceversa!
There is much of great ancient Roman general and emperors to pick that there is no need to put modern Italian (and than to say the truth those are not really good choice)!

saluti

[Dida]

why is General Tso one of the Chinese great leader? Have they been eating too much Chinese food lately?
And this Jin Qiu guy, I really have no clue who the heck he is.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Furtigan
One might better ask whether or not the NAs had a "civilization" in the sense that the game has: cities, libraries, temples, palaces.

Cahokia- largest settlement in the Americas outside Tenochtitlan and Cuzco, pre-European colonization.

There are numerous websites devoted to the people, culture, archaeology and landscape of this amazing site.

As for temples- if your religion is one based on nature worship, then temples don't figure so much anyway- the sacred sites are groves, mountains, rivers, pools, and so on. Uluru in the Northern Territory is no less sacred to Koori for being the world's largest rock, rather than constructed like the Temple of Diana at Ephesus. The Celts who were in Civ II also didn't have libraries or temples as such- the Cornish saint cults associated with places like Dupath Holy Well are a Christianized continuation of the pagan Celtic worship of nature.

The Mayans had literature and libraries of a sort; advanced mathematical and astronomical skills. Other Native American peoples developed scripts and bodies of literature post European contact.

[Ironikinit]

I did some research, and found out that the Romans had a shocking lack of research labs, atomic weapons, tanks, and other things that civilizations have in the game and thus shouldn't be a civilization.