Expansion Pack Civs Explained: Hebrew/Israelis

[jdd2007]

sorry i was gone for so long. my computer crashed, causing this thread to go to PAGE TWO!!! ill have to restart my Word history...

[Ribannah]

Wonders of the Hebrew:

Solomon's Temple
The Ten Commandments
Noah's Ark
Ark of the Covenant
Torah

Some more cities:

Ramat Gan, Netanya, Eilat, Sena (in Jemen)

[jdd2007]

thanks. will update today...

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by pithorr
More city names:
New York...

New York has been run by the Dutch, corrupt Irishmen, and connected Italians. Jewish New Yorkers are just the lawyers and accountants for whoever the ruling group is

Long Island on the other hand...

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Rosacrux


Yeah, sure... Mao and (especially) Stalin were vile dictators, surely in the "genocidal" league, but they also were great leaders: Stalin reformed a less-than-zero agricultural economy to build the most impressive industrial wonder since the industrial revolution and Mao created a modern society, dropping the feudal elements and getting the major powers out of China.
OTOH Pinochet and Markos were bloody dictators with one and only concern: How to stay in power.

I think there are visible distinctions between those two categories, don't you think so?

Of course there are differences. Markos and Pinochet were bloody dictators, like many in the history, while Mao, Stalin and Hitler were genocidal madmen. There is a LOT of difference between both groups (btw, the debatable quality of the Stalinist "industrial wonder" nothwithstanding, Hitler also gave Germany best roads in Europe of the time - I don't think that makes him better than, say, Mussolini or Franco, who were simply out of his league )

Torah-Old T. and the rest? Bah

Yup I know. But people still buy it

[Rosacrux]

Hello, reality calling!

Martinus, what the heck are you talking about? Do you know anything about those leaders beside the fact that they are commonly called "dictators"?


Stalin's industrial wonder was the most impressive achievement of the 20th century - economicaly wise. He managed to create an economy with an anual growth rate of 20% (yes, 20%) and maintain it for 9 years - WW2 stopped the economic miracle of USSR.

Russia was an agricultural nation, with only half a dozen factories before 1920. After Stalins reform USSR (Russias reincarnation) was #2 in industrial production - outnumbered only by USA... :rolleyes

Hitler? No the German economy bloomed only for a brief period, thanks to the massive military spendings, while the German state bend to corruption and manipulation by the big corporations - some people still suggest that the leader of Nazi Germany wasn't Hitler but Krupp... do you even know who Krupp is? I think some of the widely known concentration camps on Polish ground (Auswitz and the likes) were working for Krupp...
And Hitler builded on the #2 industry of Europe, not on an agricultural middle ages state like USSR...

Mao? You know what China was before the communists? A playground for the European, American and Japanese big corporations, a puppet state with no authority and the most corrupted regime in the whole world.

If you fail to recognize what he did for his country, you are simply a fool.

So, what do you mean "they are in the same league" refering to Hilter Stalin and Mao? Did Stalin start a war? Did Mao? Did Stalin gathered jews, gypsies and gays from the whole Europe and sent them to the gas chambers? Did Mao?

When you try to compare apples with oranges, try to understand first what apples and what oranges

[Eli]

edit: never mind, i'm stupid.

[Ray K]

Originally posted by Alexander01
God only ordered the destruction of peoples that were "fully ripened" in iniquity. Hence, the Canaanites were declared anathma during the lifetime of Joshua, not Abraham.

The book of Joshua is a textbook example of history being rewritten by the victors. "Of course they were massacred -- they deserved it because of blah, blah, blah."

There's nothing quite as obscene as justifying the wholesale slaughter of men, women, children and babies by calling it "self defense"

[jpps1]

Jdd, I took a course in Jewish History, and let me tell you, your history is SPOT on.

By the way:

Ruler: Solomon. Made peace with God, his people, and his neighboring countries, beginning Israel's golden age.

Leader: David. For military reasons.

Wonders: Ark of the Covenant/Ten Commandments(Major)
The Torah(Major)
Yeshivah(Minor)
The Holy Temple, now just the Western Wall(Minor)

[oriel94]

JDD

What a great idea. I will certainly download it when it's done. If the Iroquois, Aztecs, Zulus and a few others are to count as major Civs, then the Hebrews/Israelites most certainly should. They have had a much larger impact on the world. To which cultural group in the game would they be affiliated?

[jpps1]

My opinion would be commercial/religious.

[PMLF]

In my opinion Jerusalem must be the Israeli/Hebrew capital city.

Jerusalem was the most important city for the Ancient Hebrew people. Nowadays, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel (more than 60% of its population are jewish and Knesset is placed there).

[oriel94]

Yes, Jerusalem for capital. Commercial/religious for CSA. Both of these appear perfectly obvious.

[jdd2007]

jerusalem is the capital. com/reg have been the civ attributes

[Martinus]

Re: Hello, reality calling!

Originally posted by Rosacrux
Martinus, what the heck are you talking about? Do you know anything about those leaders beside the fact that they are commonly called "dictators"?


Stalin's industrial wonder was the most impressive achievement of the 20th century - economicaly wise. He managed to create an economy with an anual growth rate of 20% (yes, 20%) and maintain it for 9 years - WW2 stopped the economic miracle of USSR.

Russia was an agricultural nation, with only half a dozen factories before 1920. After Stalins reform USSR (Russias reincarnation) was #2 in industrial production - outnumbered only by USA... :rolleyes

Hitler? No the German economy bloomed only for a brief period, thanks to the massive military spendings, while the German state bend to corruption and manipulation by the big corporations - some people still suggest that the leader of Nazi Germany wasn't Hitler but Krupp... do you even know who Krupp is? I think some of the widely known concentration camps on Polish ground (Auswitz and the likes) were working for Krupp...
And Hitler builded on the #2 industry of Europe, not on an agricultural middle ages state like USSR...

Mao? You know what China was before the communists? A playground for the European, American and Japanese big corporations, a puppet state with no authority and the most corrupted regime in the whole world.

If you fail to recognize what he did for his country, you are simply a fool.

So, what do you mean "they are in the same league" refering to Hilter Stalin and Mao? Did Stalin start a war? Did Mao? Did Stalin gathered jews, gypsies and gays from the whole Europe and sent them to the gas chambers? Did Mao?

When you try to compare apples with oranges, try to understand first what apples and what oranges

Jeez, it is you obviously who doesn't know what you are talking about. Before calling me a fool, try to recall millions of people killed by Stalin and Mao in Russia and China respectively.

Haven't you heard of gulags? Of Ukrainian famine?

You are clearly letting your political views cloud your reason. Go, wave your red flag