Expansion Pack Civs (Part 4): A never-ending story?

[Jay Bee]

Your explanations are fine JK, you've got a point there, but with all the great people born in your country, having Magallanes there looks definitely weird.

Have you identified my avatar? Probably not, otherwise you would not have told me that funny stuff about "Spaniards from Barcelona calling Figo a traitor ", ha, ha. FC Barca lost and Real Madrid won, as it should always be

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
Your explanations are fine JK, you've got a point there, but with all the great people born in your country, having Magallanes there looks definitely weird.

Have you identified my avatar? Probably not, otherwise you would not have told me that funny stuff about "Spaniards from Barcelona calling Figo a traitor ", ha, ha. FC Barca lost and Real Madrid won, as it should always be

I understand your point too (and i kind of agree), but i choose Magalhães because it's the only portuguese in civ 2, and it fuctions like a link of Portugal to Civ 2!!

And i've really noticed your avatar, but that story of Figo wasn't meant to u, but to the adepts of Barcelona who thoght like that!!

By the way, can u give me the Iberian Civ 2 website adress?
(I didn't know there was one)

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Portugal - Nation of Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition)

[fluffy]

celts 20
vikings 20
welsh 20
scots 20
neanderthals 20
huns 20
maya 20
minoans 20

[jasev]

Here are my votes:

Spanish: 20 points
Arabs:20 points
Portuguese: 20 points
Incas: 10 points
Polish: 10 points
Mongols: 10 points
Turks: 5 points
Dutch: 10 points

I hope I've voted according to rules

Jasev

Thanks Dessloch.

[Dessloch]

no u voted wrong
u cant give spain 40 votes, 20 is max

[XarXo]

Please, change the "catalans" category for:

Crown of Aragon/Catalans/Valencians

And also make the following changes:

Spanish -20

Castilla-León/Castillians +20

[yaroslav]

Hi!

First of all, thank you Locutus for all your work in this thread...

Here are my votes:

Spanish: 20 points.
Hebrew/Israelis: 20 points.
Inca: 20 points.
Mayas: 20 points.
Portuguese: 20 points.
Phoenicians/Carthaginians: 10 points.
Turks: 10 points
Poles: 10 points
Arab: 10 points.
Dutch: 10 points
Byzantines: 10 points.

I hope that I don't have anything wrong.

[jdd2007]

you did everything great except you spelled the scots with a b-y-z

[Gramphos]

Locutus, what are all nbsps for in the header?

[Silvagem]

These are my points:

Portuguese - 20 Points
Iberians - 20

Spanish - 15
Berbers/Moors - 15
Huns - 15
(Australian) Aborigines - 15

It's very unfair that the Portuguese never made it to the Game.

We even have a Wonder of the World (Magellan's expedition) and units like the "Caravel", which was a Portuguese invention. But there are lots of other things we did, like our precious maps, used by other nations (Spanish, English, Dutch) to sail and colonize other places in the World.

How many Civs (in the game now) can say they have as much as we do?

Thanks for the Poll.

[mactbone]

Ummmm, all of them? Each get's a UU, each is widely recognized, etc. but enough of that...

Iberians? and Portugese... I get the Portugese, and maybe the Iberians, but not together. It's either Iberia, or it's Spain and Portugal. Imagine playing the Portugese versus the Iberians, almost everything would be the same, city names, etc. I don't buy it. Could you provide an explanation to those of us lacking historical knowledgs of the Iberians?

[jasev]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Could you provide an explanation to those of us lacking historical knowledgs of the Iberians?

I will answer you: Iberians (as told by Jay Bee in his scenario "Of celts and Iberians") were the first recorded inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula. They were many tribes who lived between Andalusia and the Pyrenees (there is a confusion between historians about that) and originally mixed with the celts (forming celtiberians), next with Romans, Visigoths and finally with Arabs, forming the actual Spanish and Portuguese (and, as Xarxo would remember me, Aragonese-Catalans) nations.

In spite of being separate nation, tribes and "civilizations", I agree with you it would be strange seeing Spanish and Portuguese fighting against Iberians. Silvagem should change it.

[Silvagem]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Iberians? and Portuguese...

Answering to MacTBone and jasev.

You might find it uncommon, but I see no reason to change it, and I will tell you why.

So you say it is strange, right?
But is it stranger than Americans fighting Sioux?? And what about English fighting Celts???
Weren't they in the exact same territory but in different epochs?

Yes they were!
(The Sioux were there long before the Americans were, although they stayed there while the Americans didn't destroy them.)
But those Civs are in the game, aren't them? What's the confusion then?

I guess that most people are not used to hearing about Portugal and Iberia, and when they do, they are confused, because they always think of Spain, which I think is a bit unfair.

But let me explain.
Iberians would be a Civ playing in the ancient times (starting 1000 BC), whilst the Portuguese and the Spanish would play in 1000 AD and afterwards.
Off course we cannot change the Civ names throughout times, but that would be more correct perhaps.

This is nothing different from what happens with the reason why those other Civs (English/Celts and Americans/Sioux) were put in the game.

Now another matter, once I'm at it.
I like the Spanish people as a whole. We use to call them "nuestros hermanos" which stands for "our brothers". But with all due respect, let us not forget that Portugal is (and always was) a nation by its own rights, which means we are not just a Spanish "province" as many people thinks...

In fact, our country is perhaps the oldest one in Europe (started as a such in 1140 A, and finished its borders in 1267 AD), so we have 734 years of history as a nation!!!
Who can beat that?

[XarXo]

Language situation at the Iberian Peninsulae in the XII - III centuries BC (source: Instituto Cervantes) :



Note that "Celitberico" reffers to the LEFT area, and "Dialectos Indoeuropeos" at the RIGHT area.

[Jay Bee]

Originally posted by silvagem
I like the Spanish people as a whole. We use to call them "nuestros hermanos" which stands for "our brothers".

Spaniards share that feeling. That's why it makes us sad that only one Portuguese brother has visited the Spanish Civ Site forum to date (hint, hint)