Predicting the XP Civs. (make your predictions as well)

[Bisonbison]

Re: Re: Predicting the XP Civs. (make your predictions as well)

Originally posted by Fiil

IIRC the viking didn't even fire arrow from them, they allways landed they troops. But maybe any unit in a longboat should be able to make amphibious assaults...

Ah. That may be a better suggestion. I was trying to compensate for the quick assault ability, and to make up for the lack of navigable rivers, since that was part of the whole longboat strategy.

[JellyDonut]

Originally posted by Pembleton
Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Vatican City, Belize, Tajikstan, Bangladesh, Guinea-Bissau and The Gambia.

*sigh* People always overlook the most important civs! You have inspired me to start a "Why San Marino SHOULD be included in the expansion pack" thread. San Marino is the oldest country in the world, founded in the 4th century and thus deserves to be in the expansion pack alongside the Sorbians, the Kyrgyz and whatever you call the people from Brunei Darussalam!

[Boney]

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[El hidalgo]

I predict all the civs from Civ 2 that didn't make it will be back, with the exception of the Sioux. That includes the "hidden" civs (Incas and Arabs). I don't think the Polynesians will be in; the Civ team seem to be fairly conservative in their selection of which civs to include. The Mali/Songhay have a chance. The Ottoman Turks really should be included, and I predict they will. I think that's about it. Another good African civ, btw, would be the Nubians. I don't think they will make it, though; neither will the Axumites.

[Boris Godunov]

First, I seriously don't think the Mongols or Vikings should be in Civ3 as "civilizations." They weren't, they were barbarians. Aren't they covered by the Barbarians in the game? Who else would these Barbarians represent? And the Mongol empire was quite short-lived.

Still, given their popularity in the poll, I will wager Firaxis will include them.

Assuming there are only 6 XP civs, I think they will be:

Mongols
Spanish
Arabs/Turks
Incas
Carthaginians
Celts

(the last two because they were in Civ2, so I think there's a precedent for them being there).

Cheers.

[Ribannah]

My guess is that expansion packs will be scenario-based, not just add additional civs all over the world. For instance, scenarios on African soil could introduce
Arabs, Nubians, Mali, Ethiopians, Portuguese and Dutch.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
First, I seriously don't think the Mongols or Vikings should be in Civ3 as "civilizations." They weren't, they were barbarians. Aren't they covered by the Barbarians in the game? Who else would these Barbarians represent? And the Mongol empire was quite short-lived.

Still, given their popularity in the poll, I will wager Firaxis will include them.

Assuming there are only 6 XP civs, I think they will be:

Mongols
Spanish
Arabs/Turks
Incas
Carthaginians
Celts

(the last two because they were in Civ2, so I think there's a precedent for them being there).

Cheers.

How dare you call my ancestors Barbarians!!!


LONG LIVE THE VIKINGS!!!

[monkspider]

If I were to predict Firaxis' decisions, which is key here, this thread is not discussing what we personally. This is what I look to see

1. The Mongols
2. The Inca
3. The Celts
4. The Vikings (Scandanavians)
5. The Spanish
6. The Carthaginians/Phonecians

I take the Celts and Carthaginans from Civ 2, even though I think the inclusion of the Celts seems a bit silly, and I don't include the Arabs for reasons of their living on through the various others fertile valley civs.
I think M. Bison's initial list was, for the most part, right on.

[Staszek]

Unfortunaltely, I think that Firaxis is not going to look at Locutus poll. But... why buying XP only for 6 new civs?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Odin


How dare you call my ancestors Barbarians!!!


LONG LIVE THE VIKINGS!!!

Everyone's ancestor was a barbarian at some point.

Can I help it if yours were lollygagging behind?

[Provost Harrison]

Well I would definitely like to see the Spanish in there, they are certainly worthy and historically very important. Same with the Arabs, and there is plenty known about them, plenty of cities, and certainly enough great rulers!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Bisonbison
That english civ ends up conquering all of wales and scotland, but can't seem to fully get with Ireland, and so a few thousand years later what do you have? And which groups do you make into civs?

Historically speaking it was the exact opposite. The English soundly conquered both Wales and Ireland but they can never fully control Scotland thus resulting in Scottish reaserting their independance and latter taking political control of England. Please read the Scottish civ thread for details.

[Faboba]

Could I just point out that the Celts have more right to be in the game than either the Americans or the English really......

The Celts were a defacto civilization in their own right having crossed the landmass which is now the English Channel very early on and begun living in what is now the British Isles.

The English are from northern germany, being comprised primarily from the Angles and the Saxons ( obviously with inbreeding with the Celts, and influences from the various viking and Norman invasions..... )

The Americans were comprised initially of colonists of English, Scottish, Irish, French, Spanish, Portugese and Dutch descent. The majority of whom are not represented in the game at all.

As for the vast numbers of European civs being named, that because of the vertile lands in Europe and historical events requiring the rapid invention of peoples in those areas to survive initially. Just because it's historically accurate doesn't mean it's unfair.

So my votes -
1 : The Celts ( As much right as most of the civilizations in the game if not more )
2 : The Spanish ( Historially VERY VERY VERY important. Though unified spain is a recent development historically they have FAR more right to be in than the Americans if that was the reason they were left out. The Incan civilization was destroyed by 140 spanish troops. )
3 : The Polynesians ( Yay to a Austrilasian civ. )
4 : The Arabs ( Very important. Led historically to the requirement of the voyages of discovery which in turn led to the European discovery of America )
5 : The Mongols ( who had a MAJOR effect on Eurasian ( and consequently the rest of the worlds ) development.
6 : The Incans ( the major civilization of south america )
7 : The Vikings ( Reponsible for the development of the UK and Russia ( and consequently the rest of the world again )

As for unique units for these ( which other people seem to have forgotten )

1 : Celtic warriors? ( blue guys that shout a lot and don't experience any terrain slow down with 2 movement points? )
2 : Conquistadores? Spanish Galleons?
3 : Don't know much about the Polynesians.
4 : Mamalukes. Must have mamelukes in game!
5 : Heavy horsmen anyone? Or just really fast cavalry. Or horses without the need for horses ( ala elephant )
6 : No idea. Probably another warrioresque one.
7 : Longboat. Or beserker. Take your pick. One a superfast / large capacity ship. The other..... well just another big warrior I guess.

Remember the unique units are used to trigger the golden age which is why many of the units were chosen ( I mean the english had famous longbowmen, but the medievil times were not the golden age of their civilization.

And lets stop calling the English the British. I'm always eternally grateful to Sid Meier that he made that distinction.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

(1) Mongolians
(2) Polynesians
(3) Carthagenians
Theres a big open space in Northern Africa and it would be good to have a civ there which can challenge the Romans and the Egyptians.
(4) Incas
(5) Vikings
(6) Some civ in Nigeria or something in Western Africa

[Gangerolf]

Prediction for XP civs:

- The civ2 civs who aren't in civ3: Mongols, Celts, Vikings, Carthaginians, Spanish
- Incas
- Arabs
- A Sub-Sahara African civ (Mali, Etiopia or Swahilis)
- Polynesians