America isn't old enough to be in Civ3

[Fresno]

Could you explain that, my English is so bad...

[Dauphin]

I don't think your English is the problem. I don't follow that last post either.

[Oligarf]

Mainly that last line makes me puzzle.

[dunk]

I think that's the Queen's English.

[Whoha]

oligarf why do you think the zulus and the iroquis shouldnt be in the game? reread my post, and the one above it. Of course my argument is quite valid for America as well. this is a game. and if it bothers you that much that america even exists, grab one of the extra civs packs.

[Drake Tungsten]

I can't believe this idiotic thread is still going on. Someone pull the plug on this thread and let it die with some dignity.

[Amesjustin]

This thread never had any dignity.

You know, I don't know what it is about this site and vbforums.com, but it seems to me that you guys will bash the US at any given chance. Why is that? Do you really think that all of America is Hollywood, fast food and materialism? Well get your head out of your ass! I for one am really f*cking sick of hearing about it. Why don't you come over to the states for a few weeks, check out LA, San Francisco, NY, New Orleans, any small town Texas and another in the Midwest. That should give you a nice cross section of the country. Then you can voice an opinion that might have some meaning. Until you know what you are talking about, do us all all a favor and spare us your ignorance!

-Justin

[Dauphin]

My last post, cos the thread is tooooo long.

For my part, I lived in Connecticut for about five years and have visited over 30 US states. Visited all those places you mentioned (even small towns in Nebraska !).

I think my opinion is informed, I don't think ill of America, although I do see a less than flattering side, which is the same for all countries.

[Drake Tungsten]

Re: My last post, cos the thread is tooooo long.

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
Visited all those places you mentioned (even small towns in Nebraska !).

Try growing up in a small town in Nebraska. You would hate America more than any Euro, I guarantee.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Amesjustin
I for one am really f*cking sick of hearing about it.
-Justin

If you're sick of it, then don't read it. Simple solution.

[Jethro83]

Wow. After all this time, and many postings this topic is still going.

Fact of the matter is that America deserve recognition as a great civ more than anyone else. True that America has only been a nation for little more than 200 years, but in that short amount of time, they have become the greatest world superpower ever seen since the Mongols, and with greater longevity as a nation to boot.

It is sad that many only think of America as Hollywood, fast food and junk culture. I've been through California and Florida and have in those few places seen more to America than the said things.

And I'm telling you, America has a much more interesting history than my homeland of Australia.

I may be Australian, but GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Anyway, the age of a civ shouldn't matter, nor the historical significance. And if you aren't satisfied with the civs available for selection, simply edit them out with Civ3Edit.

[KaiserIsak]

The way USA acts on the international scene proves that at least their governement does not deserve to be called civilized.

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by KaiserIsak
The way USA acts on the international scene proves that at least their governement does not deserve to be called civilized.

Not that I completely disagree about certain politicians are uncivilized (as they are in ALL countries), but I believe you need to qualify this statement.

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Tingkai


If you're sick of it, then don't read it. Simple solution.

You misunderstand my point completely. People can express whatever they want, I am not trying to suppress anything. As an American, Freedom of Speech is important to me.

What I am sick of, is ignorant lemmings posting anti-American sentiment simply to 'fit in' with each other without having any clue whatsoever of what American culture is really like. Applying stereotypes to a group of people displays your own ignorance.

If you wish to show to the world what an ignorant fool you are, I for one will not stand in your way.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Re: America isn't old enough to be in Civ3

Originally posted by Fresno
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I have to say it. It is ridiculous to found Washington in 4000 BC! In a regular game, it takes 250 turns before it's 1490 AD. So it takes nearly half of the game before you're in the years Columbus made his trip to the west! It takes more as 300 turns before America's independence. Americans are just the descendants of some Europeans and Africans. So why are the Americans included as an independent tribe? Just because the US is the most powerful nation in the world? Austria and Turkey also were large empires once, and so were more countries which haven't been included.

You are right, there was no Washington in 4000 BC.

There was also no Paris, no Berlin, no Rome, no Tenochtitlan, no Beijing, etc. So I guess the Babylonians should be about the only civ in the game?