English or British?

[Dauphin]

And the Frisians, who settled mainly in Kent

Does that make me descended from cows?

[Transcend]

Originally posted by Chris Horscroft Transcend, I find it hard to see how you can doubt that people will fight over very small pieces of real estate. Look at Macedonia, and for that matter, the rest of Former Yugoslavia, or the Walonia/Flanders disputes in Belgium. People will assert their nationality or their ideology no matter what.

A pity, isn't it? I really hope the British could behave better than some of the above examples.

[Chris Horscroft]

Transcend wrote:

A pity, isn't it? I really hope the British could behave better than some of the above examples.


Reply:

Me too! Unfortunately, Northern Ireland and the all too well known football hooligans suggest that when it comes down to it, everybody can behave very very badly indeed.

Cheers
Chris

[Dauphin]

Transcend, I doubt that statement meant to come out like that, but its sounds like a very blanket statement saying that all British people are mindless thugs.

This type of behaviour exists in every country, the outletting is different in each case.

[Dauphin]

dp

[Dinner]

Sorry Crunch but you got it all wrong. Being half Scottish I would like to set the matter straight so let me provid a short history lesson. Great Britian is composed of two kingdoms; England & Scotland. In 1701 Queen Elizabeth I (of England) died without and heir so her cousin King James VI (of Scotland) became the King of England as well as of Scotland. This resulted in the united country being remained Great Britian.
The name U.K. was added in the early nineteenth century after Ireland (which was conquered by the English in the seventeenth century) was finally given representation in Parliment thus creating the United Kingdom of Great Britian & Ireland. Refered to as U.K. for short.
I hope this helps to dispell the confusion.

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Try studying English history...

The English Empire was renamed British Empire in the 19th Century (~1850). By which time, most of the colonial possessions that the empire was going to get were in English hands.

[Dauphin]

You are talking about the country, whereas I was talking about the Empire.

The reference British Empire only surpassed the expression English empire in the mid 19th century.

[Dauphin]

As per page one.

I was also refering to the Empire not the country. Ireland became part of the "country" in 1801, not 1707 IIRC. Of course it was run by the English for centuries prior to that.

[MishGolden]

Originally posted by Kenobi
The English, Scots, Welsh, Irish and Manx all like to differentiate themselves from each other, but they are all closer than they like to admit.

I don't particularly mind revealing my ignorance on this subject, but who are the Manx? I've never heard them mentioned among the British group (though I have heard of Cornwall, and if I were from there, I imagine I'd have liked to be mentioned in the same breath as the Welsh).

[red_jon]

Originally posted by MishGolden


I don't particularly mind revealing my ignorance on this subject, but who are the Manx? I've never heard them mentioned among the British group (though I have heard of Cornwall, and if I were from there, I imagine I'd have liked to be mentioned in the same breath as the Welsh).

The people who live on the Isle of Man. It's very small and insignificant, but they think they are important

[MishGolden]

Originally posted by Melios
The Angloes & Saxons WERE the Germanic tribes athat settled on the British Isles. They had an edge against the Celts since they were more aggressive and more resistant to the Plague (that was around the time of the first major outbreak).

Did the plague really break out all over (western) Europe as ealy as the migration of these Germanic tribes to the British Isles (6th, 7th cent.? -- someone helkp me out here)?
The famous and devastating outbreak of the black plague wiped out a third of the European population occurred in the 14th cent., iirc. It's hard to imagine that people who had suffered from this plague before would have such poor immunity to it (although I supppose it might have been a different strain all those centuries later).
It's also possible that you're referring to some much smaller outbreak. In that case, I wonder why nothern germany and england would be the two places affected (do i misunderstand you here?).
I'd also like to ech another poster's question as to what made these tribes more restant to the plague than the Clets were.

This all is meant not to challenge your credibility but rather to learn. By the way, I love reading these posts for the history -- way more lively than a texbook. I was especially impressed by a disscussion of the history of China's relaiotnship with barbarians (it attended the unveiling of the Rider as the Chinese UU a few weeks back). I'm also always impressed by the detailed knowledge displayed by some posters about the weaponry and tactics of WWII. Kudos to you all, folks.

Mike

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
British, Scottish same thing.

Grrr, Us Scotsman will take umbrage at that remark!

[Dauphin]

British, Scottish same thing.

Grrr, Us Scotsman will take umbrage at that remark!

It was sarcasm, directed at a Scot.

Should have added a I guess. Alternatively I could have said Britain, Scotchland, same thing.

[Stromprophet]

English. I would go with English.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
British, Scottish same thing.

Grrr, Us Scotsman will take umbrage at that remark!

It was sarcasm, directed at a Scot.

Should have added a I guess. Alternatively I could have said Britain, Scotchland, same thing.

opps, sorry then. Now I feel like a dullard. But any ways "carry on".