English or British?

[Rogan Josh]

On all the list of civs I have seen it says one of the civs is the English, but on a few screen shots, it mentions ithe 'British'. For example, on one of the newer screenshots it has a picture (on the foreign advisor bit) showing Elizibeth I with the subtitle 'Queen Elizabeth of Britain' (which is wrong whichever way you look at it, but never mind).

So what are they - the English or the British?

[Gramphos]

They are named the English at www.civ3.com, so I think that is the truth.

[Dauphin]

There an identical thread like this about a week ago. I thin MarkG pointed out that its the English civ and the country is Britain, or that its the British civ and the country is England. Can't remember which way round it is.

Anyway its some kind of unforgiveable error of that kind going on.

[Transcend]

Does it matter? Everyone outside of the British Isle is going to view English and British being the same. Can you guys on the Island just stop distinguishing from each other and be happy to be members of a big family?

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Transcend
Does it matter? Everyone outside of the British Isle is going to view English and British being the same. Can you guys on the Island just stop distinguishing from each other and be happy to be members of a big family?

The one that started this thread is from Germany, and from what I've learned that isn't located on the British Isle.

[Dauphin]

RJ is British, he just lives in Germany at the moment.

There is a big important difference between English and British. Go to Scotland, ask if they are English and you may find that you wake up in hospital. If you are lucky you will just be shouted at very loudly for a couple of minutes.

[Sun Zi 36]

Originally posted by Transcend
Does it matter? Everyone outside of the British Isle is going to view English and British being the same. Can you guys on the Island just stop distinguishing from each other and be happy to be members of a big family?

No, I don't live in the British Isles and I don't view British and English the same.

Allow me to correct your statement: everyone of Anglo-Saxon descent outside of the British Isle is going to view English and British being the same. (Bcos the Australians, Americans, Canadians all want to see themselves different. Very little people outside of the Anglo-Saxon world would see much difference between Americans, British, Australians etc and would probably just identify them as "English speaking peoples".) Can you guys in the English speaking world just stop distinguishing from each other and be happy to be members of a big family?

So it does matter. It's probably less confusing for people outside the English speaking world if the civ is British instead.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
RJ is British, he just lives in Germany at the moment.

Aha

There is a big important difference between English and British. Go to Scotland, ask if they are English and you may find that you wake up in hospital. If you are lucky you will just be shouted at very loudly for a couple of minutes.

I know that. Actually I'm that sort of person that want everything correct regardless if it concerns me or not.

[Transcend]

Sunzi, your example about English-speaking people is a bad one: They live all over the world, across many different time zones, lattitudes, and geopgraphic areas. It's understandable that these people are quite different. But Britain is a small Island(smaller than Japan)and should be considered a quite homogeneous unit. But apparently its inhabitants are not getting well along with their neighbors at all. I find it hard to believe that separatism and ethnic antagonism are running rampant on that small piece of real estate.

I think Firaxis should use Britsh as opposed to English. After all, British Empire was not only founded by the English.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Transcend
I find it hard to believe that separatism and ethnic antagonism are running rampant on that small piece of real estate.

Scotland is thinking about going along.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Transcend
I think Firaxis should use Britsh as opposed to English. After all, British Empire was not only founded by the English.

Try studying English history...

The English Empire was renamed British Empire in the 19th Century (~1850). By which time, most of the colonial possessions that the empire was going to get were in English hands.

[Transcend]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Try studying English history...

The English Empire was renamed British Empire in the 19th Century (~1850). By which time, most of the colonial possessions that the empire was going to get were in English hands.

I know English history. I just wanted to point out that Scots and Irish also made tremendous contribution to the British Empire.

[Melios]

In Civilization, the "English" seemed to be based on the UK/British. So British would make more sense, because I don't think Scotland and Wales is exactly "England."

[Sun Zi 36]

Originally posted by Transcend
I think Firaxis should use Britsh as opposed to English. After all, British Empire was not only founded by the English.

Is that what u said b4? U said it doesn't matter British or English bcos ppl will view them the same.

Actually, my point about the English speaking peoples is not an example. The fact that people outside the English speaking world view those inside pretty much part of the same civ makes the word "English" civ confusing. "British", on the other hand, definitely means those on the Isle. So firaxis should've made it "British" to clear up confusions.

Since u NOW think it does matter whether it's British or English, there's no disagreement now anyway.

[Dauphin]

I know English history. I just wanted to point out that Scots and Irish also made tremendous contribution to the British Empire.

I s'pose people from Wales did nothing then