A militaristic & Scientific nation for expansion pack

[jdd2007]

List of Obvious Attributes of Civs Shown On Thread-

Arabs-Religious (Their whole culture is based on Muslim)

USA-Industrious (Won World Wars by changing our auto industry into tanks, shipbuilding into carriers and airplane industry to fighters)

Germans-Militaristic (German ancestors, Goths, i think, were barbarians who took a big part in the destruction of Rome)

Spanish-Expansionist (Conquered South America, South North America, fought off Muslims with the help of El Cid, discovered America and had largest empire for hundreds of years)

Greeks-Scientific (Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Archimedes...)

Japan-Militaristic (Undefeated for thousands of years until 1945)

Vikings-Expansionist/Military (Colonized Iceland, Greenland and sighted Newfoundland/Were Extremley warlike, raided everyone, had military presence as far south-east as Byzantium)

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Incas: Religious, Scientific

[jdd2007]

incas-scientific? what did they invent?

[jsw363]

Not so many inventions per se, but.... The Incas had advanced farming and terracing techniques. They were also astronomers, who had followed the position of the stars and the planets. They had a complex road and trade network (more impressive than it sounds if you consider the engineering involved in building roads and bridges in the Andes. They were also medically advanced and IIRC used to perform brain surgery.

[Nadexander]

Id definately cast my vote for germany to be militaristic and scientific. Throughout the medeivel period and renaissance period germany had a very large number of universities. Also many of the major modern achievements in many feilds (especially philosophy and physics) have come from germany. They are also militaristic beginning all the way back in the roman period with the germanic tribes. Later on armies from german states fought as mercenaries in many european wars. The prussians who finally unified germany in the 1800s were most greatly renouned for their militaristic tradition. Of course the 20th century is obvious evidence to long standing german militarism.

-Nadexander

[Ironwood]

I'd have to agree with Tniem (and the Civ3 dev team) about America being Expansionist and Industrial. We are *not* a religeous nation (if we were, Jerry Farwell wouldn't be complaining). We could be described as being commercial, but that's primrarily a coastal phenomenon, in the early years. We're not specifically scientific. Mostly, we take the great concepts discovered by Europeans and others, and actually *apply* it (though we're the ones developing concepts, now).

I object strenuously to the idea that America has a militaristic culture. This is very much not the case. Were it the case, we would've won vietnam, because we wouldn't have been stopped by our own people from doing that which is necessary to win wars. We avoided World War II like the plague, and only joined when Japan forced the issue (this was in spite of having a Europhile president at the time). World War I was also an issue of something being forced on us (though less so).

Today, our military is the most powerful in the world, though were you to listen to the word on the street, you wouldn't know it. Most people in America resent militancy. Were we to attempt to devise a militia system for the common defense, we'd have about as much success at it as the English did (which is to say, we'd have to force the issue with the people). The Army has a great deal of difficulty recruiting manpower, and even those they find aren't exactly itching for a fight.

Certainly, our military isn't the finest. There are other countries with harder, more valiant soldiers. Indeed, our military could do little were it not for the sheer weight of our economic prosperity behind it, were it not for the fact that our industrial complex produces so much that it is genuinely without peer. And yes, that includes Japan. Industrial is applicable.

Our early history is expansionist in the clearest sense. Our more recent history, that which causes others to label us "militarist" due to the fact that they can't distinguish between cultural and military expansion, is somewhat expansionistic as well (at least, our corporations are expansionistic... who here couldn't go to a McDonalds if he wanted to?).

Industrial/expansionistic fits us like a glove.

[orange]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Scientific/Militaristic could probably fit the Greeks best of all, which would allow you to reallocate Commercial/Scientific...which would fit well with the Arab culture!

best suggestion yet, I think

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by aaglo


Yeah, sorry. But it only SOUNDS like it, thank god you AREN'T like it. But I have two words for USA:
Atomic Bomb

so the fact that the USSR was developing them means nothing? just because we did it faster, we are blamed? just because we used it to save countless american lives, we are ridiculed?

the only way to beat the japanese was to hit them at home, we had to show them their ruler was not a god. they estimated that a mainland invasion of the heavily fortified island chain known as japan would kill about 5 million american soldiers. so we nuked and asked them if they were done. they said no, so we did it again, and said "hey, we can do this forever", and they gave up. we killed less people than we would have lost if we didnt use the nukes. if you equate all human life to the same amount, it was better that way. but most people for some reason equate american lives to less than 1 other life, and thats just plain sickening.

[Gothmog]

Another vote that Germany should be militaristic and scientfic. It was Germans who destroyed the Roman Empire and started the first two World Wars (militaristic). Then think about all those famous German chemists, physicists and geologoists.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Militaristic/Scientific:

- the Soviet Union
- Assyrians
- Incas (?)
- idontknow

The Incas and Assyrians where in no way scientific. The Soviets maybe but the best fit would probably be the Germans.

[Alex 14]

I checked out the Civ 3 site, and it sais that Germans are a Scientific + Military civ.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Oerdin

The Soviets maybe but the best fit would probably be the Germans.

I go for USSR. It's a more "natural" choice.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by UberKruX
they estimated that a mainland invasion of the heavily fortified island chain known as japan would kill about 5 million american soldiers.

I'm pretty sure the estimate was 500,000 American soldiers; and then of course there would have been a huge loss of life for the Japanese - both military and civilians. That's still an unacceptable risk when an alternate means of ending the conflict with a lower loss of human life was available.

As for who should be militaristic/scientific, I'd agree with the updated official choice of the Germans.

[knott]

USSR wasn´t militaristic, maybey industrial Scientific (industrial of course and first in space/first man in space)
and germanys should be Milatiristic, Scientific.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by knott
USSR wasn´t militaristic, maybey industrial Scientific (industrial of course and first in space/first man in space).

You're right, but it's not a good idea to have Soviet union
in the EP, because the Russians are one of the standard civs.