A militaristic & Scientific nation for expansion pack

[Jeje2]

OK,
let's look at this from the Civ3 engine point of view.
Each nation gets two abilities of six possible.
(Here is the link to official Civ3 site to confirm this)

This means that there can be 15 different combinations. (Since it doesn't matter if a nation has Militaristic-Commersial or Commersial-Militaristic)

I loocked at how Firaxis has made theire choises for different nations and if we look at the civilization abilities table from the possible abilities list we get

Skill 1	Skill 2	Country
Militaristic	Commercial	Persians
	Expansionist	Zulus
	Scientific
	Religious	Aztecs, Japanese
	Industrious	Romans
Commercial	Expansionist	English, Germans
	Scientific	Greeks
	Religious	Indians
	Industrious	French
Expansionist	Scientific	Russians
	Religious	Iroquois
	Industrious	Americans
Scientific	Religious	Babylonians
	Industrious	Chinese
Religious	Industrious	Egyptians

Now, only one combination is not used already, namely militaristic & Scientific. So which nation/people could be descibed with these abilities good? (Ok, maybe it is a too good combination)

Any ideas?

[aaglo]

Hmmm... scientific & militaristic ...

First comes to mind the Americans; always inventing new ways to... exterminate people. (no offense)

Then Spanish would maybe qualify; aggressive explorers.

[Ribannah]

The Spanish aren't scientific at all, I would describe them as religious/militaristic.
The combination scientific/militaristic is probably very rare in human history, I can't think of any civilization that falls into this category.

[Provost Harrison]

Scientific/Militaristic could probably fit the Greeks best of all, which would allow you to reallocate Commercial/Scientific...which would fit well with the Arab culture!

[aaglo]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Scientific/Militaristic could probably fit the Greeks best of all, which would allow you to reallocate Commercial/Scientific...which would fit well with the Arab culture!

Very true, Mr Harrison. Indeed the arabs were advanced in the arts of commerce (iirc trade routes from far-east to europe) and science (development of basic mathematics, astronomical achievements ect.). Truly amazing civilization.

But I'm not quite shure about the Greeks being militaristic and scientific. Scientific: definitely yes. Militaristic:
Meaning Spartans? Well, maybe that fits... maybe the Greeks were eager to fight (or does that mean the same thing as militaristic). Tough issue.

Well, this is not so serious matter, I won't lose my good night sleep because of it.

[Fiera]

I reckon that scientific/militaristic apply to both the Russians and Germans. Preferably the Germans since they currently have the same attributes as the English.

And I agree that the Spanish don't qualify for these attributes, but maybe the Portuguese (I hope they include them as well in the expansion pack)?

[Saint Marcus]

The Goths in Spain.
The Spartans in Greece.

Arabs: Rel Exp

[Gangerolf]

Militaristic/Scientific:

- the Soviet Union
- Assyrians
- Incas (?)
- idontknow

[Fiera]

Yes, the Assyrians would probably be a good ancient choice. The Incas weren't specially scientific, if at all. More of a static society- they didn't even feel the need to discover the wheel!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, the Arabs might be good for Mil/Sci, but they really should be more associated with Rel.

What I think I'd do is move the Japanese to Mil/Sci instead of Rel/Mil.

[Alfonsus72]

The HEBREWS could be mil/sci, but are also asociated with religion. Mil, cause the state of Israel won 3 wars in this century against the arabs. Sci, cause there are lots of jew scientifics. They could be also commercial.

Some american precolumbus civs could be also considered mil/sci, specially the INCAS. MAYAS should be sci/rel.

Guess Spain can´t be mil/sci, we had a thread about that, and almost everyone agreed that Spain should be exp/rel.

[splangy]

Why not germany, it fits them like a glove.

[Provost Harrison]

We have to remember though in the hayday of the arab world that their were neither more nor less religious than the west, so that cancels out. And they were noted for their merchants and their scientific progress, so I think these are an ideal combination of attributes for them, personally.

Yeah, I say Greece deserves the militaristic attribute. Look at the conquests of Alexander the Great, or the social nature of Sparta. But their great strides forward technologically and their great philosophers would definitely put them as scientific as well.

Lets face it, we can argue these attributes until we are blue in the face...

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by aaglo
Hmmm... scientific & militaristic ...

First comes to mind the Americans; always inventing new ways to... exterminate people. (no offense)

um, ew.

you make us sound like Hitler

[Alex 14]

Vikings? I'm not sure if they where scientific though, they are the only civ that i will proberly miss in civ 3.