The KOREAN Civilization: Things Every Civ Player Should Know

[Saint Marcus]

From observing this thread I would have to say, MarkL, that you do come off sounding quite narrow-minded and arrogant for a philosopher.

Philosophers are far from open minded most of the times. Hegel and Wittgenstein thought they answered all the questions in the world with their theories.

I don't mean this as an insult; I don't know anyone here personally so I can't judge.

Feel free to express your opinion about me, I don't mind at all

I just wanted to point out that you seem to be implying through your posts that only Europeans have really accomplished anything and are the only ones worthy of being in the top 16 or whatever in Civ 3.

My choice for the civ 3 civs.

Europe: Romans, Germans, French, English, Spanish, Russia
Asia: China, India, Persians, Babylonians, Arabs
America: Incas, Aztecs, Americans
Africa: Egyptians, Carthagians/Phoenicians

6 European
5 Asian
3 American
2 African

Hardly Euro-centric at all is it. they only have one civ more than the Asians.

If there is no Japan or Korea then that only leaves us with China to represent far eastern Asia. I hardly think that's right.

There's only one civ in Africa south of the Sahara, and two civs in Africa in total. And it's the second largest continent in the world!! Also, there isn't one single civ in south America. Anyways, I'd rather have the Khmer in the game instead of the Japanese.

Can't remember back to the 13th largest economy in the world, eh?

There's more to an economy than it's place in a ranking list. Also, Italy, Holland, Saudi-Arabia and Brazil are among the top nations economically. Nobody calls the Brazilian economy great, do they?

That makes no sense. Language barrier?

No. They do teach Oriental Philosophy in, for instance, Amsterdam. But all my profs say that though it's interesting, and certainly up to par with Aquino and Plato, it is no match for the more sophisticated philosophies of Kant and Hegel.

Why, cause I don't buy your 30 second search on the Encarta CD?

I know quite a bit about the Norman history in Malta.

Did you even know that his opinion is a minority, revisionist one?

Same goes for your Korean "claims".

[yin26]

Did you even know that his opinion is a minority, revisionist one?

Same goes for your Korean "claims".

Wrong again. These facts I have given you about Korea are not disputed. Your Viking passage starts off basically saying, "Well, we don't really know how disruptive they were, so let's talk about their cool jewelry." And 'revisionist' means going against all the current facts and trying to turn them upsidedown or come to new conclusions.

The facts about Korea have been buried. There is nothing to revise in the sense that Korean history is only now being given attention in the modern sense. Why? Please re-read my entire thread.

Philosophers are far from open minded most of the times. Hegel and Wittgenstein thought they answered all the questions in the world with their theories.

Yes, but at least they made sense when they argued their opinions. You've quite a way to go...

[yin26]

By the way, I think you might have posted while I was putting up econ data on the other page. I'm dying to see you weasel out of that one. Just suck it up and admit your "It's economy is crap" comment just showed more ignorance on your part.

Unless you want to say that the Neatherlands has and EVEN CRAPPIER economy than S.Korea...which would be true, eh?

[Saint Marcus]

Wrong again. These facts I have given you about Korea are not disputed.

Ask the Japanese. And apparantly they are revisionist, since most people, both laymen and scolars, still think the Japanese civ is more "important" than the Korean one.

Yes, but at least they made sense when they argued their opinions. You've quite a way to go...

Well duh If I was at the same level as Hegel I wouldn't be here now...I'd be quite famous then So how can you expect me to be at their level? lol.

Unless you want to say that the Neatherlands has and EVEN CRAPPIER economy than S.Korea...which would be true, eh?

According to a list by The Economist, and others as well, Holland was standing #2 in 1999 as "best economy of the world" and #1 in 2000. Korea was around #8 I believe. Despite all the statistics that don't mean jack, the business climate in Holland is ten times better than in Korea.

(I'm expecting you to reply by saying that The Economist is a worthless piece of paper that doesn't mean anything...or something along those lines. Please try to surprise me ok?)

[yin26]

Ask the Japanese.

LOL!!!!!!! Oh Lord. This is one of the best Trolls ever! I take it all back, Mark. You are a friggen genius!

[Saint Marcus]

We all know you hate Japan. Anyhow, for decades, Japan had a more democratic governement than Korea. And let's not talk about North Korean policies, shall we? They probably twist history around as much as the Chinese. You are very one side by only talking about the south...shall we talk about the reds in the north? How about the people dieing from hunger there? Let's talk about the greatness of North Korea! The Low Countries are split too, Netherlands and Belgium, but both are democratic and wealthy, eventhough we had fought a war in the past (and more than one too). Korea can learn from that.

[yin26]

You win, Mark. Your logic is just too damn tight. I can now understand why you think it will take you a good long time to make sense.

[YefeiPi]

We all know you hate Japan. Anyhow, for decades, Japan had a more democratic governement than Korea. And let's not talk about North Korean policies, shall we? They probably twist history around as much as the Chinese.

Twist around history as much as the Chinese? Since when did China start twisting history around? I mean it put rightful claims on what it achieved and never more. What in hell are you talking about? I think you meant Japan, a country which caused so much inhuman atrocities it doesn't even have the balls to admit.

[Saint Marcus]

Since when did China start twisting history around?

Communism cencors everything...including textbooks in schools.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

MarkL, to say that philosophy is essentially non-existant in Asian thought belies either what a stupid bigot you are, or a troll, as has been suggested. I suspect the latter. That a student of philosophy could weild such amazingly weak logical skills as you have in this thread is truly a wonder. I suspect it's only to protect your own opinions from truth, and to rile others.

You seem to think that because you know nothing about a topic, it must not be anything worth knowing. What an arrogant fool.

Ik schaam mij voor je, jongen. Ge eerst iets over een onderwerp leren voor je erover gaat lullen.

[Saint Marcus]

MarkL, to say that philosophy is essentially non-existant in Asian thought

I'm afraid you misunderstood me. Philosophy exist very much in Asian thought. However, Asian thinking is essentially non-existent in modern philosophy. If you talk about ancient or medieval times, then Asian philosophy was indeed great. But in modern times Asian philosophies don't play a role in modern philosophical thinking.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Originally posted by Mark L
I'm afraid you misunderstood me. Philosophy exist very much in Asian thought. However, Asian thinking is essentially non-existent in modern philosophy. If you talk about ancient or medieval times, then Asian philosophy was indeed great. But in modern times Asian philosophies don't play a role in modern philosophical thinking.

Good, perhaps I overreacted and did misunderstand. My mistake. The context seemed to point toward all time, not just modern.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by yin26


There are some exceptions...shipping in Pusan, for example, but mainly: "If you want to succeed, go to Seoul." That has been the way of thinking.

I was in Pusan for Christmas 1963 and again in mid to late Jan 1964, and Pusan was a very sad site then. Their down town was only 3 or 4 blocks long and maybe 3 blocks wide, with lot of shacks heading for the mountain.
I'm sure Pusan has change alot since I was there.
Yin; a good report, I liked the Korean people.

[Saint Marcus]

Good, perhaps I overreacted and did misunderstand. My mistake. The context seemed to point toward all time, not just modern.

I'm sorry for making it seem that way. I am fully aware of Asia's rich and sophisticated philosophies from ancient and medieval times. Quite amazing actually. But my main field of interest is the modern philosophy...from Descartes, or better, Kant onwards. In that field of philosophy, the modern philosphy, Asian thinking has little to offer. You can get mad or upset about it, but that's just the way it is. There are no great Asian philosophers in this, or the last few centuries, that can be compared to Kant, Hegel, Wittgenstein or Heidegger. (yes I know, all from the German school I'm personally more leaning towards German continental philosophies, though the french and anglo-saxon philosophies have quite a bit to offer too in modern times.)

[YefeiPi]

Mark L:

Communism cencors everything...including textbooks in schools.

You are one the biggest jokers I've ever seen. Communism may censor things but how does that twist history? Have you even read Chinese textbooks? How do you know they twist history. Don't question me, because I read them. None of them tried to twist history, I mean there is nothing to twist about. Unlike the Japanese history, which there must be a lot to be hidden.

Mark, You are speaking out of idiocy, man no wonder Yin or any other person cannot reason with you. You are full of false crap.