The KOREAN Civilization: Things Every Civ Player Should Know

[Transcend]

Originally posted by joseph1944

Do you even realize how many Soviet Generals wanted to start a war with us over the years? And China Top General wrote a few month ago that they should used their Nuc. against us now.

And how about the thousands of US warplans against China? It's just another example of your hypocrisy of setting double standard for the US and rest of the world. And it's this kind of American hypocrisy and arrogance that earned us so many animosities from our European allies. We can't achieve the best interest for nation by being hypocritical and arrogant. I hope you understand the relationship here.

Or you might have been brain-washed too often by right-wing lunatics.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Transcend


And how about the thousands of US warplans against China? It's just another example of your hypocrisy of setting double standard for the US and rest of the world. And it's this kind of American hypocrisy and arrogance that earned us so many animosities from our European allies. We can't achieve the best interest for nation by being hypocritical and arrogant. I hope you understand the relationship here.

They have their and we have our, so what the big deal. Each and every county on planet Earth have their plans also.
For an American you put out a lot of Anti-American posts, or maybe you are not an American, but just live here in the US.
Have a nice day.

[Adm.Naismith]

During last couple of year I discovered some interesting info about the "cold war" years. I've not the exact quote of authors of the book and the magazines, I promise I'll search back on request.

The info are about the espionage missions of US Navy submarines and of USAF (and others NATO) planes.
The info where quite detailed, after what it seems to me as a good job of research and interview (of course I should double check everything, but I have only a life to spent ).

Well, the number of times the USA/NATO missions where done against the USSR/Warsav Pact and others "communist nations" is unbelieveble higher than the equivalent number of know missions that the "potential enemies" did.

Read again: not only missions USSR admit (they can lie), but also the number of documented hostile missions the NATO suspect/trace.

It surprised me how often our beloved "democracy protector" NATO armies, (and USA often acting by itself in great secret) where ready to do plenty of hostile missions, often stretching their orders to bully against the "enemy" of an undeclared war.

As that info (anyone can dispute them, of course, but not only by heart) showed, we risked way much more times to provoke a nuclear war than USSR and China.

This is not a post against USA or NATO members: simply a warning against the risk of consider the world nations as all white/black or blu/red (and I'm not speaking of skin, you know).

[Transcend]

Originally posted by joseph1944

They have their and we have our, so what the big deal. Each and every county on planet Earth have their plans also.
For an American you put out a lot of Anti-American posts, or maybe you are not an American, but just live here in the US.
Have a nice day.

I am American. Whenever some Euros or Asians started trashing America, I always jumped to its defense. But since I was born in China, I also can't stand Americans trashing China with false accusations.

I'm also strongly against those Americans who appear arrogant, ignorant, and hypocritical before other country's people. Some Americans on this board, such as you, belong to this category. Your argument and attitude don't help the American cause in the slightest and only cause antagonism against our country. If the same attitude is displayed on the government level, then only our national interests will be put in jeopardy.

[joseph1944]

Hi

[Saint Marcus]

BTW Yin, Korea's GDP per Capita is only half that of Holland's. In other words, Korea's economy is crap compared to the west.

[yin26]

EDITED: On second thought, I will not give in to this troll any longer. If he manages something intelligent to say, perhaps then.

[Saint Marcus]

From www.cia.gov

Netherlands

GDP: purchasing power parity - $365.1 billion (1999 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 3.4% (1999 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $23,100 (1999 est.)

South Korea

GDP: purchasing power parity - $625.7 billion (1999 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 10% (1999 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $13,300 (1999 est.)

North Korea

GDP: purchasing power parity - $22.6 billion (1999 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 1% (1999 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $1,000 (1999 est.)


Hmmm....which of these three economies is the strongest? I wonder

[yin26]

Dear Troll: Take an economics class.

[Saint Marcus]

LOL, and you are talking about my argument style! LOL. you're even worse

Anyhow, I have taken several economy class, both micro and macro economics. But, following your earlier arguments (just scroll up a bit if your memory doesn't serve you that well) that only the total GDP, and perhaps the growth rate, counts then yeah, Korea has a better economy then Holland. But then again, this means that Russia has an economy as strong as South Korea, and Brazil's, India's and China's economies are even better than that! In fact, this means China's economy is the second BEST economy in the world! WOW!!! A GDP 4800 billion USD and a growth rate of 7%!!! How can Germany or Japan possibly compete with that? Go China!

Now my dear Mr.Yin. Please try to give an argument that does not have the word "troll" in it. After all, why lower yourself to my level, right? I mean, someone with your intelect and from such an estemed country can undoubtly present some clear arguments against the rantings of a mere troll. Can't you, Mr.Yin?

[yin26]

Dear Troll: YOU are using the word "economy" so these are the facts. In terms of world's largest economies, S.Korea is number 13-15 depending on where you look (it was 11 before the Asian crisis and will likely take back that position). And, yes, China is #2. Neatherlands is much, much lower, near 20. In terms of 'importance to the world,' then, whose economy is more important:

S.Korea's or Holland's? Ouch, that must hurt your brain...

Now, perhaps you mean something more SPECIFIC, eh? If so, why not share it with us? Are you talking something like "Quality of Life" or some such thing? Lord knows what the hell you are talking about.

You see, this is your problem: You throw around general statements like "In other words, Korea's economy is crap compared to the west." Unless you use the English language more effectively (but to do that, you have to actually know what you are talking about first), you will continue to look like an idiot.

So, Troll, what are you talking about?

[Saint Marcus]

My my...must be hard not saying troll I guess. Oh well, your choice. Just don't let your Korean pride go to your head. We don't want you to lose any sleep over Korea's economy when another crisis hits them like in 97 and 98. Please refresh my memory...back in 98 when Holland had a growth of 3.8%...how big was Korea's economic growth back then? Minus how much?

Hmmmm. Let's see. S.Korea's economy is "crap" yet it has nearly twice the GDP purchasing power parity and nearly 3 times the GDP real growth rate. Look what happens when you spout crap without knowing your facts first.

Unless you want to say that the Neatherlands has and EVEN CRAPPIER economy than S.Korea...which would be true, eh?

If an economy is good or bad(crap) has little to do with it's GDP. According to your earlier posts you weren't saying that Korea's economy is just bigger than Holland's, but you were saying it's less crappy. In other words, less bad means better. Following this logic Brazil has a damn good economy. Same goes for Russia. Really good economies indeed. In other words, my point is, the GDP has little to do with how good an economy is. It should be divided by it's population to get a good picture. In other words, this means you'll have to look at the GDP per capita to get a more accurate picture of the state of a nation's economy.

In terms of 'importance to the world,' then, whose economy is more important: S.Korea's or Holland's?

Holland. Netherlands=Europort. Entrance to the European markets for foreign companies. Has most headquarters of foreign companies than any other European nation. Has the biggest seaport in the world, and the 7th-10th biggest airport. And please go check a list of the world's biggest companies. You'll find many more Dutch than Korean companies for sure.

[yin26]

Poor Troll...contemplates how it could be possible for an ASIAN nation to have the world's second largest (and therefore second most important) economy in the world...he scans his little Western corner of the world and clings to the 'fact' that at least his country's economy is more imporant to the world than that piss-ant Korea's...and yet...NO! Even Korea's economy is twice the size of Holland's and thus more important to the world.

...and his infantile 'The West is Superior' saftely blanket starts to wear at the seams...but don't count him out. His ignorance and arrogance are strong!

[yin26]

And please go check a list of the world's biggest companies. You'll find many more Dutch than Korean companies for sure.

Troll never learns (and neither do I, I guess, for continuing this). 'You'll find many more Dutch than Korean companies for sure." Just as you have been sure of a lot of things, eh? Well, this will be your last free lesson from me, as you really should be paying me tuition.

World's Top 500 Companies (rank is last digit):

Neatherlands:

1. Royal Dutch / Shell Group Petroleum Refining 6
2. ING Group N.V. Insurance : Life, Health (mutual) 24
3. ABN AMRO Holding N.V. Banks : Commercial & Savings 74
4. Royal Philips Electronics Electronics, Electrical Equip. 107
5. AEGON N.V. Insurance : Life, Health (stock) 151
6. Rabobank Group Banks : Commercial & Savings 242
7. Akzo Nobel Chemicals : 402
8. Royal KNP Telecommunications 426

S.Korea:

1. Hyundai Motor Company Limited Motor Vehicles and Parts 149
2. LG International Trading 193
3. Samsung Life Insurance Co., Ltd. Insurance : Life, Health (stock) Insurance: Life, Health (stock) 222
4. LG Electronics Electronics, Electrical Equip. 244
5. Korea Electric Power Utilities, Gas and Electric 300
6. SK Global Company Limited Trading 362
7. Pohang Iron & Steel Metals 422

In the Top 500, Holland has 8 and Korea has 7. Yes, Mark, "many more"....I'm sure. You have wasted enough of my time.

[Saint Marcus]

Poor Troll...contemplates how it could be possible for an ASIAN nation to have the world's second largest (and therefore second most important) economy in the world...he scans his little Western corner of the world and clings to the 'fact' that at least his country's economy is more imporant to the world than that piss-ant Korea's...and yet...NO! Even Korea's economy is twice the size of Holland's and thus more important to the world.

LMAO....God you're so funny. Just because China has 1.2 billion and India has 0.8 billion people it doesn't mean they have a good economy. LOL. God...do they teach THAT over there in Korea? HAHAHA. You're so funny!

BTW, the EU's economy (which can be count as one due to the integration in Europe) is the size of the USA. Therefor China would be #3.

In the Top 500, Holland has 8 and Korea has 7. Yes, Mark, "many more"....I'm sure. You have wasted enough of my time

World's Top 100 Companies:

Netherlands:

Royal Dutch / Shell Group Petroleum Refining 6
ING Group N.V. Insurance : Life, Health (mutual) 24
ABN AMRO Holding N.V. Banks : Commercial & Savings 74

Korea:

None

Hmmm. In the Top 100, Holland has 3, and Korea has...ZERO. You're funny Yin...damn funny. Not too bright though. Oh BTW, learn to spell Netherlands. You get it wrong every time.