The KOREAN Civilization: Things Every Civ Player Should Know

[Veracitas]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin

You still haven't explained how they make a Chinese/Korean keyboard 5000 characters, plus 5000 more capitalized ones! That must be a pain to learn.

Ok, it's 3:00 am here in the great state of Virginia, so i'm pretty tired...and I only have time to respond to this one part, because I don't know how to make things any more transparent to you...

the Korean alphabet IS NOT F*CKIN COMPRISED OF 5000 F*CKIN CHARACTERS!!!!

here is the count, which is rough, because I just came up with it in my head--and i'm pretty tired right now--but i think it's right
Hangul (the Korean alphabet) is:
14 consonants + 8 vowels = TWENTY TWO CHARACTERS!!!!

I even friggin' spelled it out for you. That's even less than the ENGLISH ALPHABET. Ok, my numbers might be slightly wrong, but they're in the vicinity of twenty two (and i'm pretty sure that's the right number...i don't wanna go look it up in a damn book right now).

Have you ever seen a Korean keyboard?? Most obviously not. It's a very efficient little thing. At any rate, it has to be more efficient than the English "QWERTY" keyboard...Did you know that the QWERTY keyboard was actually purposely designed to SLOW DOWN typists, because they were afraid they would get ahead of themselves way too fast. So, actually, the English QWERTY keyboard is one of the most inefficient in the world, but most movements to change the system to one where keys such as "e" and "i" (which are used heavily) are in more efficient places have failed because everyone is used to the QWERTY keyboard.

Even Chinese, with its 5000 characters (the average Chinese usually uses FAR LESS, and the govt has actually taken steps to simplify the characters...an example is the old Chinese character for "10,000" with all its lines vs. the current one) can be used without all too much trouble. I've seen someone use it, and what they do is they type out the sound in English..like if htey type out "Ni Hao" (the mandarin word for hello) it will come out in its Chinese characters equivalence.

And, one more thing that REALLY IRRITATES me. Chinese does not have CAPITAL LETTERS (it does have "prettier letters" like cursive or somethin', but it's really similar, so it can't really be considered as doubling the alphabet any more than we should consider doubling the English alphabet because of cursive). Where the hell are you coming up with this info? Are you pullin' it all out of your @$$, cuz that's what it looks like...At least do some basic ground research if you're going to argue about the insignificance of an entire civilization of millions of people.

[King of Rasslin]

I'm from Jackson County, and I never see Asians. There are more non-native Georgians in Atlanta than native born Georgians! And I did NOT pull that info from my @$$. It is, in fact, proven. It's almost like going to a different world.

As for Korean, I see hundreds of different symbols. They all look the same to me. And where would you learn to speak Korean? Maybe in Korea. I just can't see where you could learn it, because it certainly isn't taught in schools. But one of my teachers said she heard enough Korean to know that Asian languages DO have very precise sounds that are hard to interpret. She knows from experience, and discourages anyone from trying to learn it before Spanish. And if you typed that out at 3 a.m. get some sleep man

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin
I'm from Jackson County, and I never see Asians. There are more non-native Georgians in Atlanta than native born Georgians!

That would be Cherokee or Creek, right?

[King of Rasslin]

Oh, yeah! I forgot about the "other" native Georgians

In this country, you are a citizen if you are born here. When I mean "native Georgian", I mean people that have been born here. And most Indians are from Oklahoma. They chose to become part of our culture, they culture flipped. A few resisted, and we know what happened.

Come to think of it, America in Civ 3 declares war with no purpose a lot. They are almost as bad as Russia in some cases.

[Q Classic]

I'm from Jackson County, and I never see Asians.

look, you're not that far from athens and uga... have you not been there? the asian minority there isn't really large, say, compared to gatech, but come on... clarke co. is pretty much right next door!

There are more non-native Georgians in Atlanta than native born Georgians!

that's quite true. of course, a lot of those immigrants are not FOREIGNERS. the largest group of people that moved into atlanta in the past ten years has not been asians, or hispanics, but northerners lured by the hot weather, lower land prices, and thriving economy. i will agree with you--atlanta is quite different from the rest of georgia, so much so that it doesn't seem like a southern city anymore.

As for Korean, I see hundreds of different symbols. They all look the same to me.

yeah, i suppose, if you weren't paying attention. still, by that logic, when i look at english, or german, or french, or say, spanish, there are the standard 26 letters, then there are all those wierd accent things, so it all looks like 50, to 70 or something letters. if you don't pay attention to the language, if you don't know the pattern the language follows, it will look near incomprehensible to you.
i don't know if you'll visit these sites, but it might clear up a lot of your misconceptions.

http://www.mct.go.kr/hangeul/

http://library.thinkquest.org/20746/non/index.html

once you learn the basic symbols, it's not that hard to decipher these "mysterious" characters.

And where would you learn to speak Korean? Maybe in Korea. I just can't see where you could learn it, because it certainly isn't taught in schools.

most major universities across the united states teach korean these days, among which include the university of chicago, harvard, university of georgia, duke university, georgetown university...
one example of a high school: decatur high school (not decatur ga)
and the mere fact that the korean language is an SATII test should say that people do learn it at the high school level.

But one of my teachers said she heard enough Korean to know that Asian languages DO have very precise sounds that are hard to interpret.

heard enough? she didn't understand it, did she? the korean language has many different dialects, some of which are just plain hard to understand; but the difference is like a southerner trying to speak to one straight from central philly or south side chicago. in korean, you don't NEED precise sounds; it is a language that ignores tonality, ignores mild pronunciation differences. i could say that in polish, or czech, or russian, very precise sounds can be heard that are hard to interpret. but that's also because i don't speak those languages. hell, even spanish? when people start speaking fast, i don't know when some words begin and when others end. precise sounds that are hard to interpret, i think.

In this country, you are a citizen if you are born here. When I mean "native Georgian", I mean people that have been born here. And most Indians are from Oklahoma. They chose to become part of our culture, they culture flipped. A few resisted, and we know what happened.

yeah, i know that. i'm a citizen. i was born piedmont hospital, atlanta, georgia, in 1983. i'm also korean, and know quite a bit about the korean community, and the asian community in general in atlanta. i've met more american-born asians from atlanta than foreign-born asians in my particular age group of under-25. furthermore, of the american born ones, i've met more that were born in atlanta than outside of atlanta. naturally, that means that quite a few of those asians are native Georgians...

p.s. when i say Indians, i don't mean native americans. i mean Indians. there are a bunch in macon.

[Veracitas]

WOOHOO!!!! from the evidence shown in this post it seems that the Koreans are GOING TO BE IN!!!

HOORAY!!!

[King of Rasslin]

Dang, Q Cubed, you really went link crazy! Although I do live close to Athens, I rarely go there now. Traffic is so much worse than it used to be like in the 80's. My cousins had no problem learning to drive in Athens then, but it would be suicide for me. I just don't have the experience to drive there. Yes, Georgia drivers are as bad as they say we are.

And I do think immigration is the major reason why population is so high now. Urban sprawl is really bad in Atlanta. Hispanics are an issue, but there are plenty of Yankees too. Not many Koreans, though.

As for speed talking, Spanish is horrible. It is a great language and it's easy to learn, but Spanish speakers talk too quickly. If they slowed down a little it would really be a better language. How is Korean compared to Spanish? I suspect Asians talk faster than Hispanics, from seeing old ninja, Bruce Lee, and Godzilla movies

I mean, their mouths move 3 times but 10 words come out. You gotta love it

[Q Classic]

>eye twitch<

my brain... hurts...

old ninja, godzilla, and bruce lee movies are the basis for your knowledge of asian language?

[King of Rasslin]

I love ninja movies! That is probably the best part of Asian culture. Forget guns, knives, and tanks. Learn to use your own body as a lethal weapon

While it really is bad to stay primitive technologically, and use your fists as your only weapon, Asians know how to use them perfectly! It is a shame our bodies are limited in what we can do.

So.... Who's up for making a Super Saiyan civ?

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
>eye twitch<

my brain... hurts...

old ninja, godzilla, and bruce lee movies are the basis for your knowledge of asian language?

The only relevant knowledge of the English language is, of course, "I'll be back!"

[yin26]

Well, if the Koreans are in ...as it appears... I might just buy a copy of this game yet.

[aaglo]

Wow... this thread is still here

[Colonel Rhombus]

Based on the glorious victory in the World Cup last night, Korea certainly deserve a place ahead of the Romans.

[Veracitas]

Originally posted by yin26
Well, if the Koreans are in ...as it appears... I might just buy a copy of this game yet.

Most definitely, Yin...the only way I will buy PTW is if the COREANS are gonna be in it...I'd have an awesome time conquering the world with Koguryo!

lol, Colonel Rhombus...that was an intense game...as soon as Ahn scored that last winning goal, I got a phone call from the ppl I know in Korea and they were all ecstatic out of their minds!

BTW, has anyone else noticed that the signs that the people in the world cup use to cheer Corea on is spelled "COREA"? I thought that was very interesting...legacy of Japanese oppression being erased, finally??? I actually like Corea better with a "C," anyway..it's prettier, somehow.

[King of Rasslin]

Its KOREA, not COREA! It might just be improperly translated into English characters. This is an actual language known as Engrish.

Apparently, some Koreans mistranslated their own language into into characters and made a huge error. Only an idiot can't tell the difference between an K and a C.