New Cleopatra

[Zor]

I must say it is a very nice improvement. The first one did look rather um....manly. But I was hoping to see Ramsese.

[Solver]

The old Cleo didn't look like real one at all.

[Laszlo]

I'm not really seeing her legendary beauty in this shot. Her eyebrows are really high!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Solver
The old Cleo didn't look like real one at all.

When did you get a chance to meet her?

Sorry, seems a funny thing to say about someone who died a couple thousand years ago.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Osweld


When did you get a chance to meet her?

Asterix.

[tniem]

Originally posted by Snapcase
Oh, come on, tniem, it's quite clearly the same person in those two screenshots. Since when does Ramses have plucked eyebrows and Liz Taylor makeup? Naw, same face in a less angry stance, made about two shades blander. Historically accurate, probably, but boring as well. Bad choice, Firaxis!

(They should have picked Hatshepsut anyway, much more interesting than this Blancka.)

Well every depiction of Egyptian leader I have seen have the plucked pointy eyebrows. They all seem to have some degree of femine quality to them in the pics at least.

But your probably right I guess. They just don't in my eyes look all that similar.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Osweld
Sorry, seems a funny thing to say about someone who died a couple thousand years ago.

you know, there are some people whose job have to do with that thing called "history". well, these guys tend to find things that some other people who lived a long time ago have left behind. and in some cases they get to gather information from this stuff, from what kind of knowledge the other people had to how certain people looked like....

[Hasdrubal]

Thumbs up to Firaxis!

This is much closer to what Cleopatra must have looked like. A pitch dark Cleopatra makes as much sense as a blond, blue-eyed Jesus. Objections about a black Cleopatra have got nothing to do with racial awarness, just with a concern for historical accuracy. I'm happy now

[Wernazuma III]

IMHO, Cleopatra is still too dark. It's told she had quite pale skin

[Laszlo]

Originally posted by Solver
The old Cleo didn't look like real one at all.

Originally posted by Osweld

When did you get a chance to meet her?

Sorry, seems a funny thing to say about someone who died a couple thousand years ago.

Rulers of great civilizations usually have their likeness either painted or carved in stone. And I know that there is a Cleopatra statue.

Of course, their "likeness" could be anything the royalty wanted it to be, though since Cleo was renowned for her beauty, we can be pretty sure she wasn't fat and balding like some of the other pharaohs.

[Skanky Burns]

I think its interesting that in the picture of the black Cleopatra, the advisor is saying "I doubt this will be accepted..."

Its almost as if Firaxis knew...

[Stefan Härtel]

That Cleo rather looks like a queen from the XXIV or XXV dynasties, or like a queen of Ethiopia at all.
IMHO, the guys at Firaxis should've chosen a different leader in the first place. Of 3,000 years of the Egyptian civilization they chose a) the very last one and b) a ruler who did not even have true impact on the history of her country and was, politcally seen, actually just an object of the delights of people like Julius Caesar and Marcus Antonius (Yes, I know, this is VERY harsh and politically uncorrect).

A female leader is fine, but then, why didn't they choose Hatshepsut? She belonged to the XVIII dynasty that was the most powerfull one in the entire history of Egypt; they could've chosen Tuthmosis I. or III., Amenophis II. or Akhenaton for a change. Of course, Ramses II. does it as well (for a change maybe Ramses III. wouldn't have been bad either).

Fact is that Cleopatra was Greek, thus white, and to go even further, perhaps she followed the Greek ideal of beauty, and this way she must've been pale as chalk because the Greeks didn't really think the same way about color tones as we do-dark-skinned was considered as unattractive, propably because all the slaves and socially lower workers had to work in the sun and thus became a bit darker...

I know this post isn't entirely politcally correct , but you have to make a point somewhere.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
I know this post isn't entirely politcally correct , but you have to make a point somewhere.

It would be silly to confuse politically correctness with historical facts (I assume your statement are correct, of course ).

Political correctness and some popular believe give us Joanna D'Arc as France leader - she never ruled France AFAIK, but surely she was an icon for France. Where is Napoleon the Emperor? Where is King Louis XIV, le Roi Soleil?

It's a bit like for an Italian leader they will chose Giuseppe Garibaldi, italian hero, great general that fighted for freedom in south america and to unite the Italy, but definitelly never a King or President of Italy

[Stefan Härtel]

Jeanne d'Arc???
OK, I understand they don't want to include Napoleon (I like him nonetheless), but how about Louis XIV, Charlemange, Napoleon III, Saint Louis, whoever... Why Jeanne d'Arc?

[static]

Originally posted by Laszlo




Rulers of great civilizations usually have their likeness either painted or carved in stone. And I know that there is a Cleopatra statue.

Of course, their "likeness" could be anything the royalty wanted it to be, though since Cleo was renowned for her beauty, we can be pretty sure she wasn't fat and balding like some of the other pharaohs.

Perhaps you should check out this article... http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010326/cleo.html