New Cleopatra

[JellyDonut]

If you look at the Civ of the Week at http://www.civ3.com , there is a new Cleopatra image probably created because of the talk of the Negro Cleopatra as a myth. Her skin is not as dark and apparently her expression has changed too so she no longer looks like she wants to kill you . Is this new Cleopatra "historically correct" or at least better than the old one?

[Footie Mad]

Yeah but it is in matters like these that the community can make a difference so to those of you who complanied!

[Bereta_Eder]

Yeah, I noticed that too!

I don;t really know if it's correct yet.

Let's see:

Cleopatra was the descendant of Ptolemeans which were the descendants of Macedonians which were the descendants of the people of the Argos region in Greece.

So she should be more white than that unless the Ptolemeans intermixed with Egyptians...

[ancient]

yay she looked like some evil creature before (not because of the color but all around)

[monkspider]

Does anyone still have a pic of the old Cleopatra around? For comparison purposes.

[monkspider]

Here we go, you can view the old Cleopatra HERE


compared to the new one here


Pretty significant changes methinks

[Bereta_Eder]

Yep, it's crystal clear!!!

Our voice has been heard!

BTW, The difference in expressions is without doubt two different instances in the spectrum of emotions of a leader in the diplomatic screen.

[Juggernaut]

Did the Firaxis crew really think she was black first? Embarrasing...

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by uncle_funk
Did the Firaxis crew really think she was black first? Embarrasing...

Maybe they tried to be "politically correct" by having more "african" leaders... (only the zulus are now african and that means 15 out of 16 leaders are not).

But they stumbled upon the very historically informed Apolytoners

[HisMajestyBOB]

She looks more femine now, looking at her first screenshot I thought she was Ramsese

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB
She looks more femine now, looking at her first screenshot I thought she was Ramsese

Me too!!!

And so did a lot of others too as I remember from the thread civ included.

[Dr. Nick]

Ah, that nose!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by El Awrence
Ah, that nose!

Are you ok Panoramix?

[tniem]

I think the pic of the Egyptian phaorah in the screen shot is of Ramses. I think there is a possibility that Firaxis was still debating which one to use so they made mock art of both.

They decided on Cleopatra. I mean look at that picture not only is the color wrong but featurewise, there isn't a woman to be seen in the pic.

[Buck Birdseed]

Oh, come on, tniem, it's quite clearly the same person in those two screenshots. Since when does Ramses have plucked eyebrows and Liz Taylor makeup? Naw, same face in a less angry stance, made about two shades blander. Historically accurate, probably, but boring as well. Bad choice, Firaxis!

(They should have picked Hatshepsut anyway, much more interesting than this Blancka.)