Expansion Pack Civs (Part 3): Just one more...

[MarkG]

ok, i'm afraid i'll have to ask from Locutus to add three rules from now on:

in order for your vote to be valid
1) you must give all your points
2) you must vote at least 8 civs
3) at least 4 of your votes must be a 20


it's a shame that some didnt understand the idea of this vote...

[Gramphos]

Subject Closed

Sidenote1: You learn quickly
Sidenote2: See, they are friends (Note this is no offence and/or reason to keep the subject open)

Edit: Mark posted while I was writing

Originally posted by MarkG
ok, i'm afraid i'll have to ask from Locutus to add three rules from now on:

in order for your vote to be valid
1) you must give all your points
2) you must vote at least 8 civs
3) at least 4 of your votes must be a 20


it's a shame that some didnt understand the idea of this vote...

Good, but how about all that already have voted 10 points for 16 different civs?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Gramphos
Good, but how about all that already have voted 10 points for 16 different civs?

ok, how about this

3) at least 4 of your votes must be a 20 or 8 of your votes must be over 10

[Gramphos]

No, I just realized that my votes don't follow the rules. My rule-suggestion was better. Do I have to change my votes again? (having 20, 20, 19, 18, 15, 13, 13, 12, 11, 10 and 9 points assigned.)

Edit rules changed again.

Originally posted by MarkG
ok, how about this

3) at least 4 of your votes must be a 20 or 8 of your votes must be over 10

Now I follow them, but shouldn't it be or 8 of your votes must be at least 10?

[LoD]

MarkG: With all due respect, but I think Locutus' should have the exclusive right to set the rules in his poll, if it doesn't break the rules of the board (OTOH as the admin you're entitled to have a different opinion). Also, I think the rules you propose do not resolve the matter - they further unnecesaribly (sp.?) complicate the system, and they can be easily tampered with. An example:

Civ X 20
Blublas 20
Bleblus 20
Bliblas 20
Blablus 20
Blinbas 20
Blanblis 20

I think you get the picture .

Sidenote1: You learn quickly

I knew you'd say that .

[lockstep]

Why do I think that the significance of this poll is dwindling rapidly?

When Locutus started the poll in August, he formulated some rules to make it more reliable than all the threads about 'missing civs' that had dominated this forum for a week or so. Locutus stated that you could vote for up to 16 civs, assign up to 160 points, and that the maximum number of points for a single civ would be 20.

Although Locutus did not say that each vote should include at least 8 civs (160/20, and the likely lower limit of civs in an expansion pack), most of the voters in the first weeks seemed to understand it that way. After 51 votes, the average number of points per vote was 152 (7.734 points total), or 95% of the possible number of points. The polish civ was number 24 at the time.

At the moment, 171 votes have been counted by Locutus, this includes the beginning of the Polish 'rise'. Average number of points has dropped to 139 (23.789 points total) or 87% of the possible number, this is largely due to posts a la 'Poland 20' and the like. The polish civ is number 12 now, while the rest of the ranking remained fairly stable.

There are about 40 votes not yet counted by Locutus, and about 15 of these are just 'Poland 20' or give some additional points to Civs that aren´t even in the top 32. Average number of points is about to drop to 133 or 83% of the possible number, and the polish civ is about to reach the top 8.

And this could go on. 40 more 'Poland 20' posts and the polish civ is number one. And would this ranking be significant? Not for me.

LoD, Staszek and Mankind: I respect your patriotism, and the votes you made are valid not only according to the rules stated by Locutus, but also according to the idea of this poll. All the posters who voted for Poland and nothing else: You violated the idea of this poll, but probably unwittingly. Ctty: I think you did it on purpose.

[kakaj_azor]

there are my last 30 votes:

eskimos +5
byzantines +5
polynesians +10
magyar +5
aborigens +5

[LoD]

lockstep: I thought the idea of this poll was to show what the civing community thinks the expansion pack civs should, and not finish with good "points spend per poster" stats - although I do get your point, I don't agree with it. You and Mark mention the "idea" of this poll, but none of you succed in explaining what is, in your opinion.

I think you are overacting. It's only one civ that is affected, so if you have something against that civ's nomination (I'm slowly arriving to that conclusion), voice your opinion, but don't dress it up in a cloak of "forum righteousness".

Finally, I don't think the reason for "Polish invasion", "Polish rise", or whatever you call it, is simply patriotism. It's simply the Polish (and not only Polish) civing community being pissed off by the fact that they never to had the chance to play the civ that they identify the most with. This especiall applies to Civ3, since it "personalizes" civs to a very high level.

LoD

[valdi77]

It'S time for Poland at least!!!

Poles 20
Russian 10

[lockstep]

LoD: IMO, the idea of this poll was to name at least 8 civs that one would like to see in an expansion pack. The stats I provided seem to indicate that the non-Polish voters understood it that way.

About the 'warranty' of the Polish civ to be in an expansion pack: I think Europe is over-represented at the moment. If the expansion pack includes 16 additional civs, Poland should be in nevertheless; if only 8 civs are included, Firaxis should concentrate on South America, Africa and South-East Asia.

And speaking about "forum righteousness": How would you interpret Ctty´s post (especially the 'stick-out-tongue'-part)?

[jdd2007]

ok, i'm afraid i'll have to ask from Locutus to add three rules from now on:

in order for your vote to be valid
1) you must give all your points
2) you must vote at least 8 civs
3) at least 4 of your votes must be a 20

it's a shame that some didnt understand the idea of this vote...

first of all, im glad mark g noticed my post, (which will need some editing because of valdi77, Ctty and vonholl)
secondly, i agree that we need some kind of system to control these one-time-posters, but the one u suggested doesnt sound right. it would require MASSIVE restructuring, and would move civs all over the place. it would take a lot of Locutus' time...
i suggest-

1-u must vote for at least FIVE civs
2-u must use all ur votes
3-it can be ur 1st post, but uhave a week to get nine more, or your vote is discounted. this would at least make them work a little.

[Martinus]

Well, I'd hate to sound like some black sheep or something, but even despite being a Pole myself and having voted, among others, for Poland way way back (I believe it was some other thread), I think the recent Polish votes flood is something that I find of a somewhat questionable integrity and validity.

There I said it (I hope someone understood me )

[kakaj_azor]

Originally posted by jdd2007

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3-it can be ur 1st post, but uhave a week to get nine more, or your vote is discounted. this would at least make them work a little.

i think there is another problem
many of my polish friends, who has voted on poles, can't speak english
so that is main reason they were here only for one post

[jdd2007]

btw, could u make this a news item?

Breaking News!!!- Thanks to FANTASTIC detective work by a little known Warlord JDD2007, a long list of Polish settlers who voted for Poland in -Expansion Pack Civs (Part 3): Just one more...- has been compiled. JDDs sidekick, LoD, discovered that these ARE legal votes, but that many are One-Time-Posters...Meanwhile, Locutus is gone...In honor of the Occasion, Mark has promoted JDD2007 from warlord to DETECTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarkG]

Gramphos,

yes, "at least" sounds more reasonable


LoD,

a) i used the word "ask"
b) i dont think you consider locutus stupid enough to count a vote for "Blinbas" and "Blablus"
c) the idea of this vote is for each voter to suggest the civilizations that should be in a expasion pack. notice that i use the word "civilizations" and not "civilization"

jdd2007,

i agree that the changes hould affect only people who voted around a week ago(and certainly people who have used only up to 50 of their points)

Martinus,

i'm glad to see you saying that.