No Spanish Civ????

[Jay Bee]

This may be old news for most of you guys but I just learned it today... So somebody would care to explain to me why the Spanish were left out? Not a single Hispanic civ. Pathetic. Congrats, you've left out ~800 million people. An excellent beginning. Suddenly I have lost most of my interest on this game.

No to give lessons of history here Firaxis people, but it makes no sense for a game that wants to be more more or less faithful to history (or at least to rewrite it) to leave out one of the most influential civs in all of history.

I do not expect it but it would be nice if one of the great minds at Firaxis told us what the criterion was. If this has been already discussed, someone please direct me to the tight thread. Thanx.

[MarkG]

dont worry, they kept them for the expansion pack

[Jay Bee]

Is that supposed to be a joke? Cos I did not get it.

[Ralf]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
So somebody would care to explain to me why the Spanish were left out? Not a single Hispanic civ. Pathetic. Congrats, you've left out ~800 million people.

Well, I agree with you of course, but I second to MarkG:
You get your spanish Civ (and I get my viking Civ) by the next expansion-set update.

Suddenly I have lost most of my interest on this game.

Isnt that a little drastic?

[Buck Birdseed]

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
Is that supposed to be a joke? Cos I did not get it.

ay caramba! the joke is that you will pay 30 more dollars to have the pleasure of quelling Catalan rebelions

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
Is that supposed to be a joke? Cos I did not get it.

yeah. it was a small joke. sorry if you didnt like it.

anyway, with the editors we will see millions of civs being created and posted online in the first days

[Grim Legacy]

I will not start whining about the omission of particular nations/civs, but I think we can all agree that the default set is meager at best.

Not that it is a fatal flaw in any way, of course.

[Jay Bee]

Okay, let me please clarify my position just a bit. This is not about whining cos MY civ is not in, as some people may have perceived. That would be silly.

My disappointment arises from the fact that Civ3 is supposed to be a game strongly based on history and historical facts. In that sense, omitting a Spanish/Hispanic/Iberian/Latino/call-it-whatever-you-wish is a painful mistake. I do not think many of you guys will dispute the fact that excepting the British and perhaps the French, no other nation has contributed as much as the people from the Iberian peninsula to shape the world the way it is today. All the nations/civs that in one moment or another rose to became masters of the world and as such, decisively influenced history, have found their way into Civ3. All? Nope. Spain is not in.

This not a matter of nationalistic pride at all. It's just historical facts. I would not have bothered if they included the Spanish, the Catalans the Portuguese, the Mexicans, or even better, if they lumped all together into a Latino civ, and placed their capital in Los Angeles, Lisboa or Buenos Aires.... Well, nothing at all. The Latino world does not exist for Firaxis. Interestingly however, there are two Native American civs in. If someone understands this, please explain it to me.

That's why I said that I lost so much interest on this game. From a perspective like the one outlined above, I do not think it's 'a little drastic'.

Those 'editors' MarkG mentioned may help solve this and other 'problems' like this. Fine. Case solved? Well, not to me, but I understand that to most others it is.

[Buck Birdseed]

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Snapcase

you made your point snapcase

[Jay Bee]

Gee, Snap, you keep opening this thread. Weren't you sleeping? Are you masochistic or something? I open your music threads just once

[Buck Birdseed]

Sorry. I should have posted the after the second post instead. Frankly, it's such a minor non-issue (it's a game, people!) that I cannot see the point of your rant at all. Were the spanish important? Yes. Are they interesting? No.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
Interestingly however, there are two Native American civs in. If someone understands this, please explain it to me.

one for the great ancient south american civilizations, one for political correctness

[Jay Bee]

Originally posted by Snapcase
Sorry. I should have posted the after the second post instead. Frankly, it's such a minor non-issue (it's a game, people!) that I cannot see the point of your rant at all.

Yet, you come here for the third time. You had made your point already. Why do you keep coming back?

Were the spanish important? Yes. Are they interesting? No.

Sorry pal, I won't bite.