Leaders of the 16 civs in Civ 3, just the facts sir

[jsw363]

Alexander- Good additions to the discussion.

It's too bad that they didn't make Catherine a bit younger and cuter... She really looks ugly unfortunately.

So is Bluto Persian or Roman? I haven't seen enough Ceasar pics from that kind of screen to compare. He's not that German guy in another age is he? (I think they were experimenting with his name too BTW)

[tniem]

Originally posted by Alexander01
Besides, CTP used Bismarck, and using it in CivIII would be copying. (Like CTP did to CivII), and Firaxis wouldn't sink to...sigh...Activision's level.

Just to clarify, when you say copying, you really just mean that Activision and Microprose had both picked the same leaders for a country because they both decided that leader was important to that nation. It is just that Microprose did it first, right?

[Alexander I]

Bluto is ROMAN. It's just Caesar during the Renaissance with another name. None of us were expecting portraits to change with time, but it does make only one leader per civ easier to swallow.

The German guy has a mustache and maybe a beard. He also appears to be in his 40s, 50s or 60s (the pic is rather small). This means that that will be the case throughout all the historical periods. But I believe the German pic we have to be their leader in the Renaissance. Look at his hat. I'll try to post an image of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (resigned 1556, I believe). They are quite similar.

And Activision REALLY DID copy. The Zulu's female leader was Shakala, for Pete's sake. Microprose made that up! And Activision was foolish enough to rip it off! But who really likes CTP anyway!

[Alexander I]

Mystery Renaissance German / Emperor Charles V

[Provost Harrison]

I would just like to take this opportunity to gloat. If you check my thread on the included civs and then check the date last edited, I had predicted all 16 civs with total accuracy

*cues round of applause*

[Provost Harrison]

Hey, I'm impressed with your detective work Alexander01.

I would have expected them to go for someone a little more heard of though...I am not up on my German leaders though so I would have thought someone like Frederick or Bismarck would be a better choice...

[JellyDonut]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I would just like to take this opportunity to gloat. If you check my thread on the included civs and then check the date last edited, I had predicted all 16 civs with total accuracy

*cues round of applause*

As did I, but it wasn't really that hard. We had confirmed 100% twelve of them, the Japanese were at 95%, which left us with three unknowns, and of the remaining four which had a remote possibility of being in (Aztecs, Babylonians, Persians and Spanish), the Spanish had the least going for them (just one city name which was also an Iroquois city). The folks over at the CivFanatics Civ III Info Center had it all wrong -- they put the Mongols AND the Japanese in, as well as some other mistakes.

[JellyDonut]

Mao Zedong and Jeanne d'Arc are the only two leaders I have a problem with. Mao was one of the Top Ten Tyrants of the Twentieth Century and thus should not be included. Jeanne d'Arc was never the ruler of France and would be better placed as a hero unit (how many female hero units can you think of?).

[Alexander I]

Leader of Germany

I also feel that either Frederick or Bismarck will lead the Germans.
I consider Frederick more likely because he was the leader in CivII, and since Bismarck lead in CTP they may try to avoid such a choice. However there is the "Bismarck von Otto" caption joke to worry about...

I wasn't suggesting Charles V was the leader, only that since we know the leaders change clothes with time periods, that our german leader was in the renaissance because he was dressed like Charles V.

[d_dudy]

i agree with jellydonut. Joan de Arc was never a ruler and she would make a good leader unit

[tniem]

Originally posted by JellyDonut
Mao was one of the Top Ten Tyrants of the Twentieth Century and thus should not be included.

According to who? The U.S.?

The winners get to write history, remember that.

[monkspider]

Thanks a lot Alexander, especially for clarifying on the Bluto matter.
Here is what we have thus far
The Americans- Abe Lincoln 100%(http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/screenshots/abe-s.jpg)
The Aztecs Montezuma 100% (http://www.civ3.com/previewwin.cfm?...=800&height=600)
The Babylonians Hammurabi 100% (civ of week section at civ3.com)
The Chinese Mao 100%(http://www.civ3.com/images/headfeatures.gif)
The Egyptians Cleopatra 85%(http://www.civ3.com/previewwin.cfm?...=800&height=600) Note, this leader is only 85% because the picture looks NOTHING like Cleopatra, or at least the image the masses have of her. Perhaps a designer renamed a Ramsses or someone of the like?
The English Elizabeth I 100% (http://www.civ3.com/previewwin.cfm?...=800&height=600, http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/screenshots/liz-s.jpg)
The French Joan of Arc 100% (http://www.civ3.com/images/headfeatures.gif)
The Germans illegible...Hidenburg? Bismarck? Unknown
(http://www.civ3.com/images/headfeatures.gif)
The Greeks Alexander the Great 100% (Old magazine screenshots)
The Indians Ghandi 100% (Old magazine screenshots)
The Iroquois Hiawatha 100%(http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/scr.../Hi_angry-s.jpg)
The Japanese unknown, Tokugawa? (http://apolyton.net/forums/attachme...=&postid=392605)
The Persians Unknown
The Romans Julius Caesar 100% (old magazine screenshots)
The Russians Catherine the Great 100%(http://www.civ3.com/images/headfeat...=&postid=404268[/url])
The Zulus unknown
So far, we are really only down to the Zulus, Germans, and Persians now.

[Ecthy]

Re: Leaders of the 16 civs in Civ 3, just the facts sir

Originally posted by monkspider
The Germans illegible...Hidenburg maybe?
(http://www.civ3.com/images/headfeatures.gif)

I'm presuming you're talking about Paul von Hindenburg?

his name was actually Paul von Beneckendorf und Hindenburg, but that doesn'treally matter now... why don't they give us Otto Fürst von Bismarck, like in CTP? Hindenburg was only President for a few years, and he wass very old then and didn't really graps his responsibility... quite intriguing, I'd really like to know who's going to be the German leader

[Caesar the Great]

Well some can be assumed.... I mean for the Americans who are they going to use... Bush

And Joan of Arc for the French isn't the best choice..... I mean Charlemagne would have been pretty good, but I guess they're looking for the best known leader....

[Alexander I]

The problem there is that Charlemagne was GERMAN-speaking! His empire included both France and Germany. He was a Frankish king/emperor. It wasn't until his grandsons divided the kingdom that German and French became more distinct. So Charlemagne could just as easily rule Germany as France!