Minitourney III - Spoilers

[nbarclay]

I generally view researching Nationalism myself as a waste of time. I tend to follow George Washington's advice on foreign policy: avoid entangling foreign alliances. If I don't sign ROP's, I don't have to worry about defending my interior cities against a possible sneak attack, and if I don't sign MPPs, I don't have to worry about getting dragged into a war I don't want. Couple that with the fact that by the time my cities are finished building factories and back to building troops, I'll be ready to build infantry instead of riflemen, and Nationalism becomes pretty irrelevant.

That's not to say I NEVER sign ROPs or MPPs, and if I found myself fighting on the defensive around that time, riflemen could be really handy. But as long as the game is going well, I mainly just care about Nationalism as a step toward Communism for police stations.

Nathan

[Chemical Ollie]

I need more stealth bombers!

After I got modern armor, I declared war and erased the remnants Egypt in 2 turns. The Europeans had destroyed the Japanese and Egyptian outposts on the northern island, so when I took the whole home continent, Egypt was history. The Europeans were suddenly very angry at me.

I could not resist the temptation to sell modern tech, as Russia and Germany kept up and took other research paths than me. I got both fission, luxuries and 100+ gold per turn for one single tech! With the rate they were getting techs by their own research, I thought trading was a better option, as they would soon get it anyway. However, I kept the pathetic Americans in the dark, as their luxuries was my next war objective. They deserved to die anyway, as they stubbornly resisted to employ the metric system, thus was far behind in tech. I mean, how could you create any useful science if you still fool around with miles, gallons and pounds? No hard feelings, Catt

I tried Vel's 5-turn single transport invasion manouver, which did not really work in my game. I took New York on the first turn allright, but it took 3-4 turns before the resistance ended and I could rush an Airport. By then, they had pillaged and bombed all roads around my bridgehead, so the further onslaught was considerably slowed down. Despite this, I took Washington and two other cities on the tip of the western peninsula. The huge city size led to heavy losses and single veteran foot infantry could quite often kill elite MA, not to mention the MI the Yanks had on top of that. I have 10-15 stealth bombers, which seems immune to the Yank F-15, but I need more to wear down population and defender HP before attacking.

Washington culture flipped back to Yanks so next time I will raze it and use the slaves as landfill in construction of the cathedral in New York, alternatively as guinea pigs in my nuclear test lab. I did a tiny "cheating" experiment at the last turn before I went to sleep last night. I have never used nukes myself, even if I have been on the wrong end of them a few times. I saved the game and nuked the Yanks to see if Russia and Germany would declare war. They did, even before the missile landed! I immediately closed the game without saving, so this little nuclear accident never happened.

More to come later

[alexman]

Catt, I replied to your corruption question in the corruption thread so we don't take this one too much off-topic.

[Txurce]

Speaking of nationalism and WW3 scenarios... I've been playing the German tourney game, which I missed. (The starting situation's relative difficulty intrigued me.) Although I know too much from your posts, I played it as honestly as possible. Anyway, both games I played with this start took me into the very WW3 scenario which we are discussing here.

In both games, a northern civ invaded with dozens of infantry, motorized and not.

My bacon was saved the first time only because nationalism allowed me to pump out MI, while a tactical nuke wiped out about 50 French infantry in one shot! Outraged declarations of war from the offshore folks and a mess to clean up after, but a very satisfying moment nonetheless. That said, it was very much like WW3, with much destruction and no real victor.

The second time around, the combination of Hoover's and the Golden Age made a huge difference in my panzer production and I had the iron works building armies, while threatening England and France were manipulated into beating each other up. The end game went the way most games do, with a crushing blitz victorious. Even here, however, I wasn't certain of the outcome until I actually attacked.

my first time through the Fren

[Theseus]

After my Independence Day festivities, I've played through a little more.

I'm a little bored though... so I'm experimenting.

I 've mostly held true to the original theme; my only pre-modern intercontinental attack was on America, at the NW end of the other contintent. 2 luxuries, had to do it.

I waited until Tanks for further aggression, and now MA.

No great deeds to speak of; I'm just rolling over everyone.

It's too easy... I've got 100+ each MA and MI on the other continent, I've wiped out the initial American, French and Russian postions, and am now at a digestion pause before going after England. I'm beyond UP... it's as if Hitler went after Gandhi.

My new favorite buildings: Courthouse and Police Station. I am so far beyond the OCN and distance factor that the primary issue is getting past 1 shield of production.

It's weird... coming off the horrible German game (for me and Arrian at least), every game since has been a snap. I hope the new effort with Vel and others produces moe challenges.

Sidenote: For the new group effort, let's hold off on modern games until the new patch... I cannot WAIT for auto-bombard.

[Catt]

Screenshots, dammit, we need screenshots, people.

[Theseus]

I'll do that... it's 2am am for me dammit!!!

(I also didn't keep a log as I had planned, so that's loading SAV after SAV)

Thanks for the primer, tho'.

BTW, been watching you on CFC... it seems to me like Apolyton is more, I don't know, 'scientific.' I might be wrong though. Both your analytics and your game stories are quite good.

[Catt]

I've almost given up on CivFanatics. The "General Discussions" draws a few interesting posters; certain Firaxians seem to visit frequently; I always search out Zachriel's posts (he's far more active there than here).

Poly's strategy forum is worthy of its name. CF's strategy forum is at the point where they ought to just chuck it and stick to "General."

Will look forward to your screenshots. Where is Nathan? Vel? Txurce? jshelr? I know Sir Ralph is tied up and I know Arrian has been playing the GoUP. But there's little chance I'll actually ever have the time to dowloand peoples' games at various points, load them, look at them, and still have time to play Civ3, talk about Civ3, play with my family, etc., etc.

Give us all some views -- a picture is worth a thousand words .

Catt

[Chemical Ollie]

Muahaha! I really like the idea of delivering the good news to American civilians with the help of stealth bombers. Especially on July 4...

The Yanks were down to 1 good city and some outposts when Bismark declared war when I didn't give in to his blackmail. Before I could even respond, all my American cities but the initial beachhead New York were razed. To my surprise, the Krauts sent a million MI and a few cavallery on the offensive but not a single Panzer or MA. They suffered tremendous casualties against my defending MI and MA, but with that massive onslaught, they eventually broke through and killed/captured all my stealth bombers and artillery plus denied me 2 luxuries (ouch!) I made an alliance and RoP with Russia which will keep the Krauts busy while I'm mobilising and building up a bigger assault force. This will also hopefully prevent the Ivans from turning on me when I nuke the Krauts to hell.

I have some boomer subs in position around the German coast plus a few ICBM, so they will pay a high price for their dirty deeds. But I will wait until I have flied over enough MA to take advantage of the nuking. Germany will be turned into a parking lot, and then I will build franchise springroll restaurants all over the place. Or perhaps not, as I don't want to trigger domination vic. I have never won by conquest, so this will be my first (I don't see how I could lose now). I do not intend to keep more than the strategic wonder cities. Smith's is in London (German) but I don't remember about Sixstine. Is there a way to find out without using spies?

And sorry Catt, no screenshots as I am writing this at lunch break on my job, where the IT manager would kick my ass if I installed CIV3. Final game report expected before Sunday.

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
Smith's is in London (German) but I don't remember about Sixstine. Is there a way to find out without using spies?

Sure there is: hit F7, the wonders list. It will tell you where every wonder is / is being constructed.

DeepO

[Txurce]

Catt, I'm away for the weekend and may not get a chance to post my screenshots, but those CFC Mac guys fine-tuned your advice, and I should be ready to go. I always enjoy others' images, and it's about time I contribute some of my own!

[Harovan]

I'm back to the game. I used the industrial age to build up a killer economy. Everybody was polite, even the English, whom I attacked before, because they founded a city at my continent in ex Egypt. I had neglected this spot, because it was desert and completely corrupt. The Americans sneak attacked me, even abusing our RoP agreement. They took the 2 cities at the nortern island with cavalries. They were defended only with spearmen. I retook them quickly, made peace and Abe went polite again. Far from this event, the industrial age went unspectacular.

In the end of the industrial age I had targetted 3 American cities with luxuries and the city with Leo's, and I prepared the assault. I built a transport full of infantry and a transport full of artillery for each city. 2 transports full with tanks had the mission to hunt down wandering riflemen, longbowmen and cavalries and to raze 3 near cities (with artillery support), to prevent the beachhead from flipping. The war went quick, only 8 turns, I took the 3 cities, razed Washington and 2 other cities and rebuilt Washington. Then I made peace. My casualties were low, only 2 tanks.

Now I own a broad beachhead and a small one. I'm in the modern age, building military and airlifting it to the beachhead. I'll research Rocketry, Computers and Ecology, Recycling and Synthetic Fibers. After this, the showdown begins. I intend to try Aesons Recycling Blitz, it should work a charm under these circumstances.

[Harovan]

1758 AD, time for showdown

The fun part of the game begins.

Location: Beachhead at the NW tip of the other continent
Time: 1758 AD, just discovered Recycling
Plan: 2 Armies kill America and proceed towards France and Russia

[Catt]

Excellent screenshot Sir Ralph -- and look at all those paratroopers!

[Theseus]

NICE!!!

And see how many Transports there are next to San Fran... how many Marines?? ( I right-clicked on the picture to find out... ha).

Buffalo as the nation's capitol... that's a hoot.