AU 601: Single Player Version

[Theseus]

Yeah, it's bumming me out too. We;'re not going to know the WHOLE map for a loooong time. Navigation... shees.

[nbarclay]

Since I'm playing this as Rome in multiplayer, I'm going to have a go at it as Greece in single-player mode. I want to see what kind of REX I can get as Greece and how it compares with what I did with Rome. (I've played the the MP game past a point where I can see Theseus's Greek empire, so as long as I'm careful, I won't be learning anything I shouldn't.)

[nbarclay]

I've gone ahead and opened what I intend to be the official SP DAR threads covering through the DAR 2 period (which ends with the discovery of Steam Power). I'm getting close to the end of that period in my MP game with Theseus, so I don't see much risk of these threads' revealing things MP players couldn't learn elsewhere.

[sabrewolf]

sorry to nitpick... but shouldn't this course have a 50x number?
i thought 60x was reserved for MP...

[nbarclay]

I think "AU 601 SP Version" is less confusing than having two completely separate course numbers for what are really different versions of the same game.

[sabrewolf]

and it would be too late anyway

are the DAR threads mixed for both roman and greek DARs? and the one platypus rex opened (i thought it's an SP DAR guideline and openend it... luckily no spoiler information there)... is that an official one? if no: should i remove it from the "collection of links" thread?

[nbarclay]

I'd rather keep platypus rex's thread out of the official DAR structure. It doesn't fit the normal structure of breaking things down into multiple DARs reflecting different stages of the game, and it doesn't have the spoiler warnings that would be needed to fit it into the regular structure safely. (We might put a link to it in the appropriate regular DAR thread at some point so his information will be available to those who are interested.)

Regarding whether to have separate SP DAR threads for Greece and Rome, my thinking was that separate theads for the two civs would add clutter and, since most people have presumably already been reading the MP DARs, probably wouldn't accomplish anything all that useful. If there are people who haven't seen the map yet and don't want to be contaminated, they could take notes while they're playing but wait until they've uncovered the entire pangea (or at least enough of it to avoid spoiling their fun) before reading and posting in the DAR threads.

By the way, combined DAR threads for Greece and Rome make it a lot easier to look at and talk about differences in the two civs' situations than separate threads would.

Nathan

[sabrewolf]

ok, i've removed the link to PT's thread. i can re-add it when he adds the spoiler warning.

By the way, combined DAR threads for Greece and Rome make it a lot easier to look at and talk about differences in the two civs' situations than separate threads would.

that discussion interests me a lot. i'm really puzzled why rome always seems to be better. imho greece has the equal starting area (at least for the first city ring), better traits, more useful UU, easier neighbors (hell, we've got NMs, MWs and GSs!).

so to all SP players: if you get to play both civs, tell us about your opinions

[Conqueror]

What about the MP restriction 'not to attck AI cities' - Does it apply to the SP version too ? Or do i get to slaughter the poor AI's

[sabrewolf]

as the topic of AU601MP was not to attack AI cities, i presume SP would be the same (there's always a twist in AU games).

but otoh not all are playing by the those rules, so it's probably free for you to chose

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Conqueror
What about the MP restriction 'not to attck AI cities' - Does it apply to the SP version too ? Or do i get to slaughter the poor AI's

More precisely, the parallel rule would be that the only cities you're allowed to capture are those in the hands of the other "player" civ (Greece or Rome, whichever you aren't). (And that territory won't really provide any benefit until Communism.)

Given the relative strength of the Greek and Roman starting positions, I think it would be best to stick with that rule in the SP version. Although I'm not inclined to follow the idea that you have to reject culture flips.

[Mountain Sage]

Originally posted by nbarclay


More precisely, the parallel rule would be that the only cities you're allowed to capture are those in the hands of the other "player" civ (Greece or Rome, whichever you aren't). (And that territory won't really provide any benefit until Communism.)

Given the relative strength of the Greek and Roman starting positions, I think it would be best to stick with that rule in the SP version. Although I'm not inclined to follow the idea that you have to reject culture flips.

Ah!
I'll start my SP play tomorrow, so no win by conquest or domination?

[MarkG]

maybe this and any entries so far should be entered into the hof.....

[nbarclay]

Mountain Sage posted this question in the SP DAR 1A thread, but I figured I'd respond to it here so we can get more people's input.

Originally posted by Mountain Sage
Nathan,

One quick question. Since not many players have posted yet in the SP section and there are several threads for SP, would it not be more 'practical' that each SP player has his own thread, from beginning to end, as the other MPs?

Sorry about you having already begun posting...

The thing I like about using a traditional AU DAR arrangement for the SP games is that it makes it easier to see how different players' games compare at the same stages. That includes not only the SP games but also comments and discussion regarding how the SP games compare with the MP games and perhaps even on how the MP games compare with each other.

In contrast, with a separate SP DAR thread for each player, there would be no central place for such comparisons. Each player's individual story would be more coherent, but I don't think the overall learning potential would be as good.

Does anyone else have any thoughts?

Also, who besides Mountain Sage and me is playing or planning to play the SP version and post DARs?

[sabrewolf]

nuclear master once was talking about making stories out of good DARs. if there was a possibility of merging certain posts from each player into one thread or a summary, we can add them together afterwards. NM also said that someone volunteered as AU webmaster.