AUSG101 - Domination team DAR 1

[Taian]

I just did the same as you (tried it again) and actually managed to slightly improve. The big change is probably in what order you irrigate/road the cattle tiles around Mecca. I irrigated one cattle and then roaded it. Did the same with the second one. I figured that the increased food and growth outweighed getting the increased trade right away. With that, it was warrior/granary/settler/settler/settler. In this second run I tried, I almost managed to end with 5 cities; the four shown in my screenshot up top (same locations too) and a 5th by the game and fish to the east of Medina. I was about 2 turns away from doing it. I'm pretty sure I could hit 5 or 6 if I didn't build the initial warrior in Mecca. Just send one from Medina and use luxuries to keep the peace in the meantime.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Beta
We will have lots to discuss regarding whose save we use.

Discuss all you want, ultimately it will not be up to you...heh-heh.

(The players who decide which save continues on each team are not the same players that are on that team. At least, that's how I think Rhoth wants to do it.)


Dominae

[Master Zen]

actually I think the voting is exclusively between the guys on the team.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Dominae


Discuss all you want, ultimately it will not be up to you...heh-heh.

(The players who decide which save continues on each team are not the same players that are on that team. At least, that's how I think Rhoth wants to do it.)


Dominae

Yes - my understanding was the same as MZ's. I thought the teams were set for the duration. And that was the reason why the 2-saves-in-a-row cap on one player was implemented.

I may be mistaken - and I am easy either way. It just makes sense that if you head into a game with a 'domination' focus, you should stick with it. (Unless of course - you are the opportunistic type. )

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Master Zen
actually I think the voting is exclusively between the guys on the team.

That was the way I'd intended it to prevent any messing around from others if this had become a pure competition game. Since it's not a competition, I'm up for suggestions either way (before Tuesday ). But I'm leaning toward only the people on the teams voting for the continuation of their game. Another thing is that if there is a tie, do you want the game admin (me) to break the tie?

[Arrian]

I think the voting should be in-team.

-Arrian

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Arrian
I think the voting should be in-team.

Why?

[Arrian]

Good question.

My answers:

1) Quicker, I think
2) Since each team has an objective or theme, the members of any given team have might be the best judges of which save is the best for their stated objected/theme.

I could be wrong. And frankly, it's not a big deal to me.

-Arrian

[TheArsenal]

Originally posted by Arrian
2) Since each team has an objective or theme, the members of any given team have might be the best judges of which save is the best for their stated objected/theme.

I agree with this. Because our goals are the broadly the same, it makes more sense for those who have actually played out the turns with these goals in mind, to best be able to look at the games and determine the best save based on these goals. It may not be apparent from the first 40 turns, but this will become more apparent as the game progresses and each team’s games diverge further and further.

[Dominae]

I think the players on each team are aware enough of the goals of the other teams to act as competent judges. I mean, we all know what the Space Race is, and how to achieve it. As an outsider, one would probably be a better judge of how well a player is playing toward a certain goal.


Dominae

[Beta]

Yup - pros and cons both ways. But I still think I prefer to keep the voting within the team. One of the reasons is, as Theseus has stated, that it will be quicker. Reviewing 5 DAR's and saves where everyone started from the same spot as you is one thing. Reviewing 17 based on three separate starts is a bit of a jump. I have reviewed the others' DARs, but not as extensively as ours.

Now, maybe that defeats in a small way the intent of the process, and makes it more of a team competition. But hey - it will become a 'bit' competitive anyway - which only adds interest to the approach.

And if there is a tie - let the team resolve it through discussion. (for example - maybe one of the saves belongs to a player who also had his/her saved used last round, in which case - a no brainer. But even with a straight tie, the discussion as to which would be the better save will be useful. As it is right now - would it be better to have a granary and a barracks, 4 cities, and two workers versus..... You get the idea.

[Dominae]

Because each team wants to win, the players on that team are more likely to select the "best" game, rather than the "best played" game. Are you prepared to deny yourself a Great Leader?


Dominae

[Arrian]

If we're going to have other teams review, can we specify one team to each other team, like this:

Domination team reviews/selects for Opportunists
Opportunists review/select for SS
SS reviews/selects for Domination

So we each only have to review 1 set of games?

-Arrian

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Arrian
If we're going to have other teams review, can we specify one team to each other team, like this:

Domination team reviews/selects for Opportunists
Opportunists review/select for SS
SS reviews/selects for Domination

So we each only have to review 1 set of games?

-Arrian

That would probably be best. I think that was suggested earlier by Dominae too. That way people won't feel compelled to HAVE to read everyone else's DAR's (though it is of course recommended ), but they'll still get an idea of what other teams are doing with their victory condition.

[Master Zen]

I still think each team should vote for their own saves.