Au402 Dar3: 1000bc - 10ad

[vmxa1]

Sorry if I stepped on any toes, but needed a place to hang this sucker.

[jim_steer]

Nothing happened till after 1000bc


1 other city ->

Got Great Lighthouse
Lucked literature from a hut
Contact with Arabia, Egypt, France and Germany, ROP with all, beating all in tech by 2-4, not trading inter- continental contacts.
Built too many workers!!!
Need more librarys and Luxuaries.
Get wine, iron & horses soon
No war ffs, only elite is a galley
Will applease my blood lust after librarys.

AI seems to be struggling without contacts!!

[vmxa1]

This was last night, so I won't remember much.
Highlights none, all low lights so far.
Not much of a plan for this game, no real experience at huge or water filled maps. Not sure what to make of tech changes either.
Plan one was to try to get a free settler and get to Map Making for the Lighthouse.
Zero for two on those.
No settler, missed the lighthouse by a few turns. I could not get much of a prebuild going as I had no other wonders to use.
Shield production is pathetic, some of it my fault as I was tardy on making workers.
I had not quite learned Lit when the Germans built Great Lib. A bunch of the other early wonders came in for others about this time.
I switched to Harbor to salavage some of the shields.
Can you say "you got your troubles, I got mine".
Some headway, I have cities up all over the homeland.
Founded OXford on the horses in 350BC. It willbe a long time before I can get a harbor there.
Founded NewCastle on the island east of me as well.
This one has grapes, which I will need. It better have some Iron or I am in big trouble. I maybe in some trouble there as I would expect an uprising soon.
I am trying to get spears and settlers out to it to expand, but I need a few libs.
Contact was made with Arabia around 20BC and Egypt is in sight.
They are about the same in tech, but my culture stinks.
I was not able to get any early Temples.
I need a new plan or I will be doomed, I suspect.
Culture will be hard as I will have no early wonders and was late to get temples. Libs will not be coming in quickly as most cities have very poor tiles and I am behind on workers. Not to mention they are slow.
Conquest is out, Domination seem shaking. Culture will be tough unless I can bust out Cleo.
Space race seems unlikely with the hard road to research and my poor shield yielding capacity.
I never even try to be a diplomate, maybe I can learn.
IOW this could be a long hard loss.
Good news is I doubt they will be invading my homeland as it is far from most and it will be easy to defend.

[vmxa1]

jim_steer what year is the shot from?

[jim_steer]

10ad

[Dominae]

Mind if I ask what difficulty level, jim_steer?

In any case, looking good.


Dominae

[jim_steer]

Only Monarchy I am afriad, was going to move up to emperor but forgot.

[vmxa1]

Ah the beauty of industriousness.

[Catt]

Part 2 (see previous thread).

English scientists pressed on towards Map Making. English settlers expanded across the home island. English workers cleared and improved the land.

With the discovery of Map Making, York converted its project to the Great Lighthouse. Most coastal cities converted their projects to harbors and then galleys. The Queen has cautiously optimistic regarding her chances at securing the wonder - but with the very early Pyramids, she worried at the back of her mind that other nations were in far better positions and far more advanced than England. The Lighthouse still needed 10 or 15 turns before it would be complete.

ELizabeth pondered her next move. The only technologies the English knew were POttery, Alphabet, Masonry, Writing, and Map Making. Many of the early techs were available in 4 turns of research. Still more were available in less than 10 turns. But Elizabeth decided instead to push on at highest speed toward te creation of an English Republic. Getting out from under the penalties of Despotism would be a large boon to the empire, and since Elizabeth was not using very many military police to keep her subjects content, theone principle advantage of English despotism was under utilized in any event. Philosophy and Code of Laws were researched, followed by The Republic, all at as high a rate as the Queen could stand (subject to the luxury slider needs).

By 550 BC the home island had been fully settled, including a military camp in the midst of the vast desert. The Great Lighthouse would be completed the following turn, and thereafter English galleys would begin their exploration. (screenshot below).

And then the Queen caught her breath and swore. She had completely neglected to take into account that the completion of the Great Lighthouse would trigger an English Golden Age. Arrgh! But, as she calmed, she realized that though embarassing, she wouldn't have done it any other way had she been on her game. She expected the GL to be so powerful in this world that it was simply not an option to risk losing it to another civilization. Damn the despotic GA, full speed ahead!

The English Golden Age contributed to a faster than could be hoped for march towards the Republic. The GA began with one turn to go on Code of Laws, followed by a 6-pace on Philosophy, followed by an 18-turn pace on the Republic. The Queen could enjoy her Golden Age and come out of it shortly before a switch to Republic.

English galleys began their first tentative steps towards the wider world. Soon enough, English sailors had discovered a larghish landmass to the east, and a small island to the north. Settlers scrambled for galleys. And then a strange thing happened. An English galley continued north from the small island, venturing into the dangerous oceans.

I actually did not intend to make a suicide run. I was playing on my home desktop rather than my usual laptop - the desktop doesn't have my graphics mod installed (Snoopy's graphics) and I was unused to stock Civ 3 graphics after so long playing Snoopy's. I didn't notice that I had passed three tiles into the ocean until the next turn when I wanted to know how much more "sea" I had available. "What the heck," I thought, "I survivied one turn and I have a bunch of galleys coming online, let's go another turn and see what's out there." I survivied a second turn in the ocean without sight of land and veered farther west to cover more ground. End result is that I suicided my way to America.

The brave galley survivied and reached safer coastal waters in 250 BC to spy an American settlement amidst thick jungles. Elizabeth introduced herself to Abraham Lincoln. The Americans had discovered numerous interesting technologies, but still hadn't discovered Alphabet. The Queen traded knowledge of the Alphabet for knowledge of Bronze Working, perhaps another tech, and an American territory map.

Only a few years later, English galleys to the east discovered both a second small, uninhabited island, and two new civiizations, the Arabs and the Egyptians. Like the Americans, the two eastern civilizations had knowledge of many interesting technologies, but neither had discovered Writing -- this meant that Elizabeth controlled some very valuable technologies which would be highly prized in trade.

English embassies were established in the faraway lands, and then the Queen set out upon her commercial pursuits, trading for the technologies that English scientists had bypassed in their rush to Republic. A series of trades (detailed in the screenshot below) brought knowledge of Iron Working, Ceremonial Burial, Warrior Code, The Wheel, Mysticism, Mathematics, Horseback Riding, and maps of the world, all in exhange for Writing and a few gold pieces. The Queen refused to trade any English maps. At the conclusion of the trading summit of 190 BC, the English had leaped forward in technology advancement, and still possessed three (soon to be four) expensive technologies that her foes did not (CoL, Phil, MM, Republic).

I traded first to America since it was isolated, taking all of the least expensive techs that I could. The slightly more advanced eastern powers came next, taking higher level techs. The essentially unplanned beeline for Republic worker out very well, since I had a large tech lead over known civs and was in a good position to extend the lead.

The Queen eyed Arab and Egyptian lands as possible English colonies. But their lands were as bleak as Englands own, and they didn't even have any new and interesting luxury resources which would be so welcome. English galleys had spotted wild vineyards on teir trip east, buth the whole of Arabia and Egypt were without luxuries.

By 30 BC, English galleys had traveled up the coast of Egypt pursuant to a Right of Passage, and discovered both a German galley and a French settlement. The Germans were the more advanced of the two, knowing POlytheism but neither Code of Laws nor Philosophy (IIRC). Elizabeth had been proud of her exclusive holdings of a total of 6 ge sources -- but that paled in comparison to Bismark's control of 20! ivory sources.

The sailors who had discovered America cirumnavigated the American island and managed to make contact with Caesar of Rome. Rome was more advanced than England, possessing (IIRC) both Currency and Polytheism, lacking only the government technologies and Construction among the ancient age technologies.

By 10 BC (enlarged minimap below) the Queen had traded successfully for territory maps from all known civlizations while refusing to trade her own maps -- England enjoyed an unparalleled view of the world.

Shortly after the calendar reversed itself and began counting forward, Elizabeth instituted a revolution and was extremely happy to learn that the English anarchy would last only one turn!

Anarchy lengths during revolutions include a random variable and a variable determined based upon empire size. The small size of our empire, as measured by the OCN and the lack of available land on an 80% archipelago map meant that I would almost certainly enjoy a very low anarchy - I expected anything from 1 to 3 turns and was pleased with the result, obviously.

The screenshot below is a snap at the English empire the turn before the GL is completed and England enters a GA. It also contains a minimap from 10 BC, and the series of rades made for ancient age techs.

Catt

[jshelr]

An update on America’s nonmilitary civilization.

Our city spacing is virtually the same as Jim Steer's above, scary.

Right after the early game, as America concluded literature, Russia built the HG. They would prove to be the most advanced civ for another age at least.

Initial galleys found East Island and North Island, sources of iron and horses it would turn out. The galley that found East Island also went on to meet the Arabs, although it sunk two turns to the east of Arabia.

Countless suicide galleys have since sunk without finding new land.

Met Arabs in 370 BC followed by Egypt and executed a big trade for techs outside the Republic line. Got everything available and bout 200 gold.

250 BC and nobody else working on Great Library.

Looking at the Arab/Egyptian holdings, it is evident that the AI is having trouble building cities on dry turf.

150 BC Republic WITH NO ANARCHY!!

I decided to go 1 scientist and was running a 108 gold surplus.

We sent all our regular warriors by galley to North Island to disband and hurry the harbor in order to build horsemen. Meanwhile, building spears.

Russia builds the Great Lighthouse removing our fallback for the Great Library build.

We crank up the entertainment and enjoy some WLTP days. America is eighth in size at 90BC, or so we are told.

At this point, East Island is full and we abandon Washington, jumping the capital to the middle of the home island. All workers are over on East Island. Careful not to hook up iron.

Egypt and Arabs have been at war and are poor research trading partners.

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Emperor, Carthage

In 1000 BC we discovered literature. After that I researched pottery within 4 turns, map making in 24 turns, ceremonial in 4 turns, philosophy 8 turns, thereafter Code of Laws, researching at 80% and having 20% converted to luxuries.

I've found 5 more cities, one on the island in the North and have 'discovered' the little continent in the East.
The middle centered city of Rusicade later has to become my capitol.

The horror: first the Russian beat me to Great Lighthouse by two turns and later on the Zulu beat me to Great Library, again exactly by two turns !!!
It became a library instead, 315 shields wasted ...

I'm now researching Republic in 40 turns, and have almost settled my continent, a settling process much slowed due to not having researched pottery asap and wasting time on the lost wonder race.

No contacts yet, my scientists tell me I'm moderately advanced. Right now building libs, temples and harbors, babs have never played a major role, and now have lost their spawning opportunities on my home continent.

Times to progress now sometimes take 2 minutes !!!

Moving on ...

AJ

(on image you'll see how I got one more turn to finish GL, I didn't get it ... )

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

My picturing art is not what it's supposed to be (using MS Paint, Win98), nevertheless a second picture, showing the centered Rusicade which has to become my capitol.

I'll be opening a thread on general forum about 'The Art of Picturing' for noobs, maybe you experts can give some advice ...

AJ

[vmxa1]

Give Irfanview a shot it is a free download. It captures and will resize to 800.

[nbarclay]

As I alluded to in my 1000 BC DAR, my expansion was about to take off.

925 BC: Sabratha
850 BC: Rusicade
825 BC: Oea
775 BC: Hadrumentum
750 BC: Cadiz
690 BC: Cirta
670 BC: Nora
550 BC: Rusaddir (northern island)
530 BC: Sulcis

And on the eastern island:
310 BC: Saldae
250 BC: Carthago Novo
50 BC: Malaca [Foreshadow] (which, with hills, mountains, cattle, and fish, became second only to Carthage as a wonder producer) [/Foreshadow]
50 BC: Gadez
10 BC: Calaris

That left only one future city site on the home island and one on the eastern island to be built in the future. Better, my swarm of industrious workers ran roads and irrigation south so quickly that most of the cities did not have to wait long after their founding.

And better news: the Carthaginians are firm believers in "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." Our first attempt at the Great Lighthouse ended in disaster, but our second succeeded. With how evil Dominae was in not putting even one neighbor within safe galley range without the Great Lighthouse, that was the game-breaker. I was still a long way from winning, [Foreshadow] especially with the Ottomans sharing my world [/Foreshadow], but I had my most critical key.

Unfortunately, a bid for the Great Library was not so successful. Persia snagged that wonder in 90 BC, about four turns before I would have finished if I remember right. Carthage had to settle for the world's most expensive and elaborate regular library instead.

By the way, I'm playing on Emperor level.

As with my last DAR, the shot below is from my 230 AD save. I arranged the eastern island as an inset and blacked out the area where it really is, and also blacked out the site of a city I hadn't founded yet.

[nbarclay]

One other thing: My meeting with Arabia and Egypt let me catch up on the early ancient techs that I'd ignored in favor of Map Making, Literature, and the path to Republic.