Partisans

[Blaupanzer]

We have had some discussion recently as to what tech generates partisans. My question is how does the program determine the number of partisans a given city produces. City size, civ size, tech level, and time frame all seem to play. However, I can't put my finger on what, exactly, causes some cities to fill every unoccupied square, while others produce 4 or 5. I have had two cases in a recent game where the number of partisans appeared to be greater than the pop of the city taken. I know occupying squares in the city radius prior to a city's fall can help reduce the number, but what determines that number.

[EdwardTKing]

Sid Meir's Civilization II: The Official Strategy Guide

Page 146:

"Note: After you discover Guerrilla Warfare, the number of Partisans you receive when one of your cities is captured increases, while the number of Partisans your opponents receive when you capture one of their cities decreases."

Page 278:

"The number of Partisans that appears is based on a number of factors (random and otherwise), but the general rule is that the bigger the city, the more Partisans you receive at the time the city is captured."

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Communism triggers them initially, n'est-ce pas? This would reflect historical accuracy, in any case.

Population must be the primary factor. What else plays in to make a unique number? How about something specific to each city, such as the number/type of improvements present (or destroyed?) upon sacking. Or the sacked civ's GNP, happiness level, or some such ranking? Just a brainstorm, no real reason to suspect one way or the other... It's likely just a random number based on the population.

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[SlowThinker]

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq Communism triggers them initially, n'est-ce pas?

Many people think so, but I don't:

a remind: Partisans emerging after bribing a city
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[Rufus T. Firefly]

slowthinker - For what it's worth, and in reference to the thread you link to above: In a current SP game (ToT, 7 civs, raging), I just started the push for world conquest. I've taken the cities of four different civs (1 by attack, 3 by bribery) in the last couple of turns, and got partisans from all of them. Nobody has guerilla warfare; everybody has communism. Interestingly enough, though -- here back to blaupanzer's original question -- the cities taken ranged in size from size-3 to size-8, but each generated only 1 partisan.

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[Smash]

It is Communism.No doubt about it.

[Scouse Gits]

Hear, hear - Communism allows partisans to appear...

ST - we have had several situations that appear to have defeated the Cheat Menu - certainly enough to put any findings dependant upon it at doubt...

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[La Fayette]

I love to open a city to the barbs and get partisans when they take the city (then bribe it back later on, of course).
I seem to remember that this can happen before discovering communism.
The trigger would then be RESEARCHING COMMUNISM.
Dear friends testers: open your labs!
(I'll be trying to win ww2 as neutral leader meanwhile)

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[Blaupanzer]

I suspected (feared) a thread like this might go to what tech causes partisans. I'm still more interested here in how the number gets determined.

(Marquis: No, in the real world, Communism is a result, not the cause, of the partisan and guerilla revolts of the industrial age. Napoleon's army waded thru them in Spain, Poland and Hungary filled with them in 1848, and other examples can be provided from Latin America and the Czech regions all prior to the writing of the Manifesto. My own observation is that they start in Civ II when any nation develops Communism, like a trigger. [Thanks, Lafayette! Perhaps it is starting the research that counts!] The rules provided by Edward seem to reinforce that, talking of increases at Guerilla Warfare and not an initializing. Still, I wondered if someone either had the time to look at, or had already looked at, what factors might determine the numbers.)
[This message has been edited by Blaupanzer (edited May 10, 2001).]

[SlowThinker]

savegames?

[Thoddy]

quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer on 05-10-2001 05:00 PM Still, I wondered if someone either had the time to look at, or had already looked at, what factors might determine the numbers.) [This message has been edited by Blaupanzer (edited May 10, 2001).]

I think, it generally depends on the number of happy people in the city, with modifications by guerilla warfare, city sqares with hills, mountains, rivers, forests, city squares occupied by others.

[Thoddy]

my last message was definitively false.

[Smash]

well not entirely.The number of partisans depends on the size of city captured....not happys but citizens none the less.

I never thought I'd miss the party boys,but compaqred to the defection thing of civ3...partisans are much more realistic.In civ3 you capture a city.Then-poof--the city defects back taking all your occupying units and throwing them into oblivion.I don't recall hearing of a captured city switching back the next day.Partisans represented local resistance pefectly.It doesn't cripple you.It draws some resources away while you "put down" the resistance.I have always considered partisans a major pain.But i have never wanted to smash something because of them.Can't say the same thing about civ3 defections.....

Some of my fun has been replaced by rage

[Thoddy]

I have made a comprehensive test
some months ago
see this url:

http://civ2-forum.gamigo.de/showthread.php?threadid=753

[TCO]

How about giving us the high points in English?

Ich verstehe nicht Deutsch.

Slow, they come from communism. The strat guide is wrong. You can only build them after GT. But they pop up after commie.