Hut pattern

[Sirotnikov]

quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude on 04-10-2001 05:56 PM Thanks everyone this is very helpful. P.S. Am I the only one here who doesn't know the meaning of "orthogonally"

I didn't know it either.

or-thog-o-nal (ór thog'uh nl)  adj. 

                  1.  a.  Also,  Math. 

                            pertaining to or involving right 

                            angles or perpendiculars.

                  2.  Crystall. referable to a rectangular set 

                       of axes.

             [1565-75; obs. orthogon (ium) right triangle (< LL 

             orthogonium < Gk orthog_nion right-angled; see 

             ORTHO -, - GON) + - AL 1]

   Derived words

             --or-thog'o-nal-ly, adv. 

             --or-thog o-nal'i-ty, n. 

And I still can't figure out what it means

[Scouse Gits]

Sorry guys, yes once long ago I was a mathematician ...

Orthogonally in this context means moving like a rook in a game of chess -- ie if you ignore the slant of the representation of the map and simply think of a checkerboard:

xxOxx
xxxxx
OxHxo
xxxxx
xxOxx

H is the hut, x is an irrelevent square and exactly one of the Os will be a special (perhaps hidden)

Have I got it across this time?

[Mixam]

Actually I too was stumped by orthogonaly even after looking it up

However after i created an entire plains map in map editor it became clear. Only one thing is it not narrowed down to only 2 choices instead of 4? From what i saw in my experiment map it was like this

xxxxO
xxxxx
xxHxx
xxxxx
Oxxxx

Where H is hut O is possible special (one or the other but not both)
And my diagram is as in game and not turned

Maybe i am using a dif seed or something correct me if I'm wrong

[Eli]

quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer on 04-10-2001 06:21 PM Middle two Ss are one off. Top middle goes one to the right, bottom middle, one to the left. Hence the "swastika pattern" many mention.

No, his pattern is exactly the correct one.

[Smash]

To get technical,it does not resemble a swastika.Its backwards.It is a religious symbol from an old Indian religion IIRC

[Marquis de Sodaq]

quote: Originally posted by Smash on 04-12-2001 08:44 PM To get technical,it does not resemble a swastika.Its backwards.It is a religious symbol from an old Indian religion IIRC

North American plains Indians, Lakota (IIRC), symbol for power/strength

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[Scouse Gits]

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The Swastika thing - yes it is certainly reversed in Nazi usage, but my recollection is that it is an Arian (mid to far eastern culture ?Indian?) symbol originally - the use by Amerindians is certainly news to me.

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[Boney]

On this 'trivial pursuit' the Swastika can be be found as a symbol in more than a few cultures. In India for example there are both clockwise and anti-clockwise Swastikas, one feminine and one masculine. But I have seen them all over Asia, and they can also be found in Africa and South America as well as North America. The Nazis actually stole the Symbol from the "Thule society", I do not know what or who they were. It is just sad what this symbol came to represent.

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[Blaupanzer]

Eli,

No his pattern is not correct. In my version of civ (2.42), the city must be placed so it does not touch any of the specials (diagonally, vertically, or horizontally) in order to take advantage of a four special situation. This looks like:

xxSxxxx
xxxxxSx
xxxCxxx
xSxxxxx
xxxxSxx

Hence my comment. His pattern shows two specials in a three hex diagonal. I've never seen that. Or maybe it's just my eyesight. (It's hell to grow old, but the alternative is not known to be interactive.)

[Mixam]

Hope these show up right Turn them 45 degrees and it is as in the game. Sorry some of the borders didn't show up but all the specials and huts did. C = Best city location S = Special H = Hut

Special Pattern

	S	Â	Â	Â
				S
		C
S
			S

Hut Pattern

	Â	Â	Â	H	Â	Â
Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â
H	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â
Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â
Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	H
Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â	Â
Â	Â	H	Â	Â	Â	Â

[This message has been edited by Mixam (edited April 20, 2001).]

[Ming]

OK... that is the basic hut pattern... but you still really need to look at a custom all land map to view the full pattern. It shows how the 4 patterns fit together. If you have found two 4 patterns, you then know where every hut on the map can be.

[Mixam]

Yes Ming, If find a spot that is missing one special for that pattern then 2 of those specials make up a full pattern. It is hard to explain. I chose not to show the whole pattern cause i would have to show 2 for special and for hut there is also two patterns. Yes if you find two of the four patterns for the hut you can find them all but does anyone really pay that much attention? I usually just find one and use the four pattern to find the next three. Then the next four pattern beside it. I don't find all the huts using this though. Do you?

[Ming]

Well... Yeah... once you find two 4 patterns, the entire pattern is then known. Why wouldn't I use the knowledge?

[Mixam]

Well just that I mean the hut pattern ain't exactly as simple as the sheild pattern for grassland. I mean first of all you would have to record the x,y location of the first 8 huts and then count off what it is like 6 squares between each pattern horizontally and 4 or so vertically. You actually do that! I don't even bother with Oedo years yet but I only play the AI right now. I prob won't even play multiplayer till civ III comes along.