OCC fortnight #13 - discussion and logs

[Oldman]

Hey Paul, are you still browsing the strategy board? what do you think of this "who's online thing??" it's quite funky ain't it!!!!!

I'm almost done with occ13, it got to 2:30 last night just started researching flight, and i saved and went to bed?!!?! now, that's Will Power!!!! i think my eta is 1839ad if everything goes on plan,

[Oldman]

Boy, did they open up a can of Whoop-ass on me!!!! So close but sooooo far!! anyway the log:

2.42 Diety - Billy the Oldman of the Outlaws!!

Monarchy: 2450bc
Republic: 525bc
Democracy: 780ad

Colossus: 2250bc
Observatory: 160ad
Theatre: 340ad
College: 820ad
Darwins: 1510ad
Apollo: Just 1 more turn!!!

1st Trade: 850bc
2nd: 675bc
3rd: 550bc

Trade: 1750bc
Cons: 525bc
San: 600ad
Refridge: 1200ad
Auto: 1730ad
SF: 1774ad

Pop 12: 75bc
pop 25: 1730ad

3950bc 50 from hut
Persians Destroyed, Bronze working!
Carthage Destroyed, Code of Laws!
Souix Destroyed, Alphabet!
Vikings Destroyed, Cere Bury!
Wild Wild West Founded!!
3800bc archers (hut)
3700bc chariot (hut)
3600bc archers disbanded in city
3550bc 50 from hut
3350bc 50 from hut
Peace with Spanish
3250bc Barbarian from hut
Disorder!!!!!
Peace with Japanese
3200bc order restored
3050bc 25 from hut
2950bc Barbs in hut
2450bc Monarchy, Kingship Established
currency (hut)
2400bc peace with chinese
2300bc 50 from hut
rushed Colossus
2250bc Colossus!!!!
2200bc WLTKD starts
2150bc barbs (hut)
militia
2000bc militia
1800bc temple
1750bc Trade
1600bc peace with triffids
1350bc war with spanish??
1300bc marketplace
1250bc peace with english
1000bc war with english for 50 from triffids
950bc caravan (hides)
850bc 1st Trade (68 rev) hides
825bc caravan (gems)
750bc gave mapmaking to spanish for ceasefire!
725bc caravan (dye)
675bc 2nd Trade (114 rev) gems
650bc Literacy
3rd Trade unwanted (38 rev) dye
library
550bc republic - revolution
525bc Republic Established!!!!!!
Construction from chinese
Gave away loads of Techs
500bc caravan (wine)
mysticism from english
375bc maths from chinese
325bc Philosophy
Astronomy (free)
300bc Aquaduct
275bc disbanded last of own militia
175bc Colosseum
150bc WLTCD (9)
75bc caravan
Size 12!!
25bc caravan
WLTCD cancelled
sold temple
20ad caravan
60ad caravan
medicine
100ad caravan
140ad caravan
160ad Observatory!!!!!!!
caravans x 4
340ad Theatre!!!!!!!!!
400ad 200 for war on chinese
440ad University
480ad Bank
520ad engineering from spanish
600ad Sanitation!!!
640ad Sewer system
WLTCD (12)
680ad invention
700ad war with french for 250 from english
760ad democracy - revolution!
780ad WLTCD cancelled (18)
Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
820ad Newtons College!!!!
860ad chemistry
900ad gunpowder
940ad explosives
980ad metalurgy
1020ad navigation
1060ad physics
1100ad magnetism
1140ad electricty
1200ad refridgeration
1240ad steam engine
1280ad railroad
1320ad industrialisation
1380ad corporation
1420ad war on french for 250!
1440ad electronics
1480ad factory
1500ad steel
1510ad darwins Voyage!!
Refining
Combustion
1530ad hydro plant
1550ad supermarket
1560ad automobile
1570ad engineer
WLTPD (16)
1600ad mass production
1630ad chivalry
1650ad leadership
1670ad tactics
1690ad machine tools
1710ad miniaturisation
1730ad Computers!!!!!
WLTPD cancelled (25)
1750ad science lab
mobile warfare!!
1754ad robotics!
1756ad manu plant
1758ad engineer
flight?!?!?
1760ad engineer
1762ad radio
1766ad adv flight
1770ad rocketry
1774ad Space Flight!!!!!!!!!
added caravans to Apollo Program, space race starts next turn!!!
1776ad Sneak attack by Japanese and Spanish Forces!!!! all 12 caravans destroyed?!?! 4 engineers, 1 settler, a horseman and a legion and my city all in one turn?!?!!?

Billy the Oldman the Pathetic 1%, 19 points

Just for the record i was on target for an eta of 1839ad!!!
[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited July 25, 2000).]

[Paul]

OCC #13 Comparison Table now available.

[Scouse Gits]

That is what I call seriously tough luck Oldman - and they say the AI can't play this game!


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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Oldman]

Tough luck? are you sure that's all you'd call it? i'd call it much more, in fact i did!!! But they'd just bleep it out here?!?!

I thought i was getting along with everyone quite nicely too, giving away flight, computers, radio!! i normally stop giving away my techs when i reach flight!! but nevermind, the next one should be interesting...



[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited July 25, 2000).]

[vik]

I hope some of you had a little bit of fun with this. The "find another city-site" option didn't occur to me until after I emailed the scenario to Paul.

There's a trade-off, of course. By killing the 4 AIs that were in your starting area, you gain Bronze Working, Alphabet, Ceremonial Burial, and Code of Laws, which was designed to jump-start you into Monarchy.

Plus, you get to found your city on your first turn rather than searching.

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Well, on a personal note, I will be going on vacation tomorrow (Wednesday) for about three weeks or so. I don't think I will be playing Civ2 during that time. Take care!

[Tom DeMille]

Oldman, ouch. Pretty aggressive of the AIs to attack without warning. They made a few demands of me late in the game (demanding Advanced Flight, Superconductor, that sort of thing - I was only too happy to oblige, since they would have declared war if I hadn't), but no sneak attack thank goodness.

Vik, SG1 was still able to get all the techs from the 4 neigbour civs before he wandered off to found his city. But you're rightthat precious time was wasted (if there had been another ideal city site nearby it might have been a different story). Enjoy your vacation

[Oldman]

Have a nice holiday Vik!!! I enjoyed the scenario, even though i ill treated by the opposition?!?!!? this now makes 2 occ's i've fluffed in a row!!!! i lots the observatory on occ11 and gave up, this one!! i daren't even try occ12!?!?

After the "Incident" with the Japs and Spanish last night i reloaded to see just what their problems were!!! they were just mightily pissed that i existed i think!!! i gave them all my gold, gave them both space flight, and grovelled as much as i could!! it put the Japs off attacking me, but the spanish still finished me off regardless?!?!?

I guess it's just not to be... I'm thinking that my style of play was a bit aggressive, Machiavellian you might say, cause i only had one alliance and they were tight gits, i waged war on people for money, and then siding with the winners for more money later on!! maybe i rubbed the spanish up the wrong way!??!

[Tom DeMille]

Oldman, what was your reputation like just before the AIs destroyed you? My reputation started at dishonorable after the 1st turn, and then improved to questionable ~1000AD, where it stayed for the rest of the game (unlike you, I was nice to my AIs ). If your reputation was the pits, it might explain why the AIs didn't like you towards the end.

[Hueij]

Pfew, this was a hard one. Though I had incredible luck with huts in the beginning (Monarchy in 3600BC) I couldn't get to two-turn advances until 1580AD and only then till 1772AD. I was researching Space Flight and one turn into it the needed beakers jumped from 2170 to 3290! Next to the Japanese and the Spanish there were only Indians and Chinese on the continent and I was at war with the Chinese for a long time so I couldn't dump techs on them. Luckily the AI left me alone till the end.

Monarchy: 3450BC
Republic: 525BC
Democracy: 780AD

Colossus: 2400BC
Copernicus: 225BC
Shakespeare: 1AD
Newton: 500AD
Darwin: 1340AD
Apollo: 1778AD

Trade: 1800BC
Construction: 2500BC
Sanitation: 240AD
Refrigeration: 1200AD
Automobile: 1560AD
Computers: 1730AD
Space Flight: 1776AD

1st Trade: 900BC
2nd Trade: 800BC
3rd Trade: 625BC

Size 12: 325BC
Size 21: 1460AD

Landing on AC: 1841AD

3950: Hut-Horseman, destroyed 4 civs, Bronze, Code of Laws, Ceremonial Burial, Alphabet
3900: Hut-Horseman, Cardiff Founded
3800: Hut-100 gold
3750: Hut-Archer
3700: Hut-Archer
3600: Hut-Monarchy-50 gold, Revolution, Spanish-Pottery
3550: Japanese-peace, Hut-Horseman
3450: Monarchy
3350: Hut-100 gold
3250: Hut-Barbs
3200: Hut-50 gold
3050: Hut-Barbs-Currency
3000: Hut-50 gold, Indians-peace, Tributes-50 gold
2850: Hut-Archer
2750: Indians-war
2700: Indians-peace
2600: Hut-Horseman
2500: Chinese-Masonry, Construction, 50 gold
2450: Tributes-100 gold
2400: Colossus
2250: Market Place
2200: Japanese-Warrior Code, Spanish-Horseback Riding
1950: Archer killed by Barbs, Hut-Polytheism
1900: Tributes-125 gold
1800: Hut-Trade
1750: Chinese-Map Making, gave Trade, Monarchy and Warrior Code, shared maps
Japanese-gave Map Making, Horseback Riding, Pottery and Polytheism, shared maps
Spanish-gave Map Making, shared maps
Indians-gave Map Making, Construction and Polytheism, shared maps
1550: Hut-Barbs
1500: Tributes 75 gold
1400: Writing, built Colosseum, sold Colosseum
1300: Library
1250: Dumped all techs to all 4 civs, share maps, tributes 125 gold
1200: Hides Caravan, Indians-25 gold
1100: Wine Caravan
1000: Temple
950: Gems Caravan, tributes 175 gold
900: Hides Caravan, Hides route Madrid 100 gold
875: Mysticism
825: Hides Caravan
Japanese-gave Mysticism, shared maps, allied
Spanish and Chinese-gave Mysticism, shared maps
Indians-gave Mysticism, shared maps, allied, gift 100 gold
800: Wine route Madrid 64 gold, Chinese tribute 50 gold
775: Hides Caravan
725: Food Caravan
675: Hides Caravan
650: Literacy, Chinese-Feudalism, shared maps, Japanese and Indians-shared maps
625: Food Caravan, Hides route Sevilla 100 gold, Gifts and tributes 125 gold
600: Gems route Madrid 216 gold
575: Philosophy, Republic, Revolution
550: Tributes-75 gold
525: Republic, Hides route Toledo 112 gold
500: WLTCD size 5, Japanese-gave Republic, Spanish-gave Republic, shared maps, allied (War with Chinese), Indians-shared maps, gift 25 gold
475: Colosseum, Hides route Seville 108 gold, Japanese-gave all techs, gift 25 gold, Spanish-gave Philosophy
450: Spanish-gave Feudalism
400: Aquaduct
375: Mathematics, Hides route Cordoba 232 gold
350: Food caravan, Spanish-gave all techs, shared maps
325: Sold Colosseum, size 12, Japanese and Indians-gave Mathematics, gifts 50 gold
300: Food Caravan
250: Astronomy, Food Caravan
225: Copernicus' Observatory
175: Dye Caravan, Japanese-gave Astronomy, Spanish-Iron Working, Indians-gave Iron Working, gifts 150 gold
125: Clothes Caravan, Medicine
75: Food Caravan
25: Food Caravan, Japanese-gave Iron Working, Indians-gave Astronomy, gifts 350 gold
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1: Shakespeare's Theater
20: University
40: Dye route Madrid 248 gold
60: University built, Spanish-gave all techs, Japanese and Indians-gave University, gifts 150 gold
80: Wheel, Cloth Madrid 126 gold
100: Dye Caravan
140: Food Caravan
160: Engineering, Japanese and Indians-gave Wheel, gifts 50 gold
180: Food Caravan
240: Sanitation
260: WLTCD size 12, Dye route Madrid 272 gold
280: Sewer System, Japanese-gave Engineering, Spanish-Bridge Building, Indians-gave Sanitation, gifts 200 gold
300: Banking
320: Bank
360: Food Caravan
380: Japanese-gave Iron Building, Spanish-gave Engineering, Indians-gave Bridge Building, gifts 100 gold
400: Theory of Gravity, Food Caravan
420: End WLTCD size 19
440: Spice Caravan
480: Economics, Food Caravan, 150 gold Barb Leader, Gave all techs to allies, shared maps, gifts 200 gold
500: Newton's College
540: Chemistry
560: Stock Exchange
600: Invention, Food Caravan, All techs to allies, gifts 50 gold
640: Food Caravan
660: Gunpowder
680: Food Caravan, gave Gunpowder to allies, gifts 150 gold
720: Explosives
740: Engineer
780: Engineer, Democracy, Revolution, Democracy, Spice route Valencia 300 gold, gave Explosives to allies, gifts 175 gold
820: Food Caravan
840: Metallurgy
860: Food Caravan
880: Spanish-Monotheism
900: Seafaring, Food Caravan, gifts 100 gold
960: Navigation, Food Caravan
1000: Food Caravan
1020: Physics, gave all techs to allies, shared maps, gifts 100 gold
1040: Food Caravan
1080: Magnetism, Spice Caravan
1120: Gold Caravan
1140: Electricity
1160: Food Caravan
1200: Diplomat Refrigeration
1240: Supermarket
1260: Steam Engine, Chinese-peace, gave all techs, shared maps, Allies-gave all techs, shared maps, gifts125 gold
1320: Railroad
1340: Darwin's Voyage, Industrialization, Corporation, Spice route Toledo 142 gold, Gold route Madrid 62 gold
1360: WLTPD size 17
1380: Dye Freight
1400: Steel
1420: Spice Freight, Gave Railroad to all, gifts 250 gold
1460: Food Freight
1480: Refining
1500: Food Freight
1510: Gifts 250 gold
1520: Food Freight
1530: Combustion, End WLTPD size 24
1540: Food Freight
1560: Automobile
1580: Superhighways, Chivalry, Chinese-Conscription, shared maps with all, First time 2 turns per tech...
1590: Food Freight
1600: Leadership, Dye route Beijing 782 gold
1610: Gold Freight
1620: Tactics, Spice route Beijing 391 gold, Chinese-Athomic Theory, gifts 300 gold
1630: Wine Freight
1640: Machine Tools
1650: Food Freight
1660: Electronics
1680: Mass Production
1690: Food Freight
1710: Miniaturization
1720: Wine route Chengdu 557 gold
1730: Computers, Food Freight
1740: Research Lab
1750: Gold route Shanghai 1016 gold
1752: Wine Freight
1754: Robotics
1756: Food Freight
1758: Flight
1760: Food Freight
1762: Radio
1764: Factory
1766: Advanced Flight
1768: Hydro Plant
1770: Rocketry
1772: Manifacturing Plant, Chinese-gave Computers
1776: [q]Space Flight[/b]
1778: Apollo Project, Wine route Chengdu 272 gold
1782: Plastics
1788: Nuclear Fission
1796: Nuclear Power, Spanish cancel alliance (no way I give them Advanced Flight!), Bribe Spanish Cannon
1802: Bribe Chinese Destroyer
1804: Laser
1806: 15 Structurals
1812: Super Conductor
1820: 6 Components
1822: Fusion Power
1826: 3 Modules, Launch
1828-1840: The usual stuff, allied with Greeks!
1841: Landing on AC

[SCG]

Since I managed to get a dispicable rep playing a normal game (OCC 14), I left those 4 civs to fight it out in the fertile crescent and moved elsewhere. In hindsight, going to the landlocked, 3 silk 1 wheat site with no rivers probably cost me several turns. With only 1 grassland, my growth was stunted and i never did get the wheat turned into silk. I also had 2 ocean squares i couldn't do anything with. I could have founded 4 turns earlier, and gotten a coastal city with 7 grasslands, 3 river squares, whale and 2 silk. On the other hand, I would have been closer to all 6 of the other capitols too, so maybe it wasn't that bad. I had fantastic luck with the huts, even getting a musketeer late in the game (used a peace treaty to get him home), and obtained pottery from 1 which allowed me to trade for monarchy (don't remember when, but was at the latest 3400BC). On the other hand, I got 3 advanced tribes forcing me to reload, including 2 consecutive... I also keep forgetting to sell my improvements when they have served their purpose, also started the apollo program about 7 turns late, which forced me to use a several freights earlier than I had planned, leaving me scrambling to rush-buy SS parts and even giving away all sorts of SS and modern warfare techs to get gold out of my allies. I also managed to overcompensate for last games research mistakes, costing me 6 turns by discovering nuclear fission/power preflight. (In OCC 14 I couldn't get 3 turns/tech post spaceflight...)

Diety, 2.42
AC 1869

Monachy -2900
Republic -425
Democracy 1020

colossus: -1250
copes: 100
shakes: 920
isaac: 700
darwin: 1360
apollo: 1810

trade routes: -725, -675, -600

construction: -1950
sanitation: 540
refrigeration: 1360
automobile: 1660
computers: 1764
space flight: 1808

size 12 : 440 (canceled WL @10 in -150)
size 21 : 1580

-3950 hut horseman
-3500 hut horseman
-3400? hut pottery
-3050 hut archer
-2950 Home Founded (3 silk, 1 wheat),Alliance with Sioux, mapmaking, monarchy (revolt) (should have contacted earlier), Alliance with vikings, alphabet, ceremonial burial, mystism, alliance with Carthagenians, code of laws, peace with persians, bronze working, currency, no alliance
-2900 Monarch Founded, King SCGunner
-2750 hut, warrior code - gift techs, discoveries go from 140 to 165?
-2600 hut, barb horseman (killed it)
-2500 size 2, hut - NON horseman
-2300 hut, 50 gold
-2200 hut - Advanced tribe, reload - masonry
-2150 horsebackriding, 25 gold from carts, size 3
-1950 hut advanced tribe, reload(x2) - construction
-1600 50 gold from vikings
-1400 hut - NON archers
-1350 alliance, 100 gold from spanish
-1250 colossus
-1150 size 4, hut - NON hoseman
-1100 commencing WL
-975 hut, trade
-950 marketplace
-925 wheel from vikings, alliance dissolved, 75 gp(spanish), 50 gp (carts),100 gp (sioux) 100 gp, alliance (persians) war with vikings
-900 caravan (silver)
-875 caravan (hides)
-850 caravan (hides)
-775 writing
-725 hides to toledo (demanded)
-700 caravan (hides)
-675 silver to parasagad (demanded)
-650 library
-600 hides to seville (demanded)
-475 caravan (hides), philosophy, republic (revolt), hides to toledo, seafaring, 100 gold (spanish)50 gold (persians) 50 gp (carts) 50 gold (sioux)
450 temple, hides to madrid (undemanded)
-425 republic!
-400 caravan (silver) WL, hides to toledo (undemanded)
-325 colisseum
-300 polytheism (persians), no gold from anyone
-200 aquaduct (finally), iron working (spanish)
-150 size 10 (out of food) cancel WL
-125 silver to Madrid (undemanded)
-100 100 gold (carts) for war on vikings
-50 caravan
1AD caravan, hut - medicine
40 caravan
60 Astronomy
80 100 gold (spanish), 150 gp (persians)
100 Copes!
140 caravan
180 University
300 Engineering
320 university, 75 gp (spanish) 100 (persians) 50 (carts) 25 (sioux)
360 caravan
380 Banking
400 archer lost to barbarian, start WL
440 cancel WL (size 12)
460 bank, Theory of Gravity
520 caravan, hut - 25 gp
540 Sanitation, Spanish (monotheism, 50 gp), persians (100 gp), carts (50 gp), sioux (50 gp)
560 caravan
580 hut - bridge building
600 caravan
640 caravan
660 Invention
680 caravan, 50 gold (spanish) 100 gp (persians) 50 gp (carts) 100 (sioux)
700 Isaac Newton's College!
720 gunpowder
760 sewer system, size 13 (should have gone for demo...)
780 navigation, 100 gp (spanish) 50 gp (persians) 50 gp (carts) 50 gp (sioux)
800 hut - 50 gp
820 caravan,chemistry
860 caravan
880 explosives
900 caravan, 50 gp (persians), 50 gp (carts),100 gp (sioux) (rep back up to honorable from questionable)
920 Shakes theater
940 hut - NON musketeer
980 Democracy, revolt
1020 caravan, democracy founded
1040 start WL, hut - 50 gp
1060 engineers
1100 physics, 100 gp (persians), 50 gp (carts) 150 gp (sioux)
1120 engineers
1180 caravan,
1220 Railroad, spanish (metalurgy) persians (50 gp) 50 gp (carts)
1280 Magnetism
1340 Electricity
1360 Darwins (refrigeration, industrialization) Spanish (economics,75 gp) persians (50gp) carts (50 gp) sioux (50 gp)
1400 supermarket
1420 steel
1440 stock exchange
1520 corperation, atomic thoery(spanish) 50 gp (persians) 100 gp (carts) 150 (sioux)
1550 freight, cloth to valencia (undemanded)
1560 refining, carthage destroyed by soiux (no more alliance)
1570 freight
1580 size 21
1590 freight
1600 combustion, gems to seville (demanded)
1630 electronics
1650 power plant, size 25
1660 freight, Automobile, spanish (conscription, 100 gp),sioux (150 gp)
1670 superhighways
1680 mass production
1690 freight
1700 freight, feudalism
1710 freight
1720 freight, chivalry
1730 freight
1740 freight, leadership
1750 freight
1752 freight, tactics
1754 freight
1756 freight, machine tools
1758 freight
1760 freight, miniturization, 100 gp (spanish),200 gp (persians), 200 sp (sioux), gold to seville
1762 freight
1764 Computers
1766 Research Lab
1768 freight, Mobile Warfare
1770 freight
1772 Robotics
1774 manufacturing plant
1776 freight, Nuclear fission
1778 freight
1780 freight, Nuclear power
1782 freight
1784 freight, Flight
1786 freight
1788 freight
1790 freight, Radio
1792 freight
1794 freight
1796 freight, Advanced Flight
1798 freight
1800 freight
1802 freight, Space Flight barb leader captured (i think its my first this game!)
1808 Space Flight
1810 Apollo Program (not good - spanish demand advanced flight for keeping alliance and they have a city overlapping mine...)
1812 structural #1 (fundamentalism, ampibious warfare from spanish - at least i have some control over what I give)
1814 #2, Plastics
1816 #3
1818 #4 (production up to 70 now, but cost a few rounds of pollution...)
1820 #5, Laser
1822 #6
1824 #7 (no pollution this round, so i finally caught up )
1826 #8, Superconductor, sell sewer system (never did get past 25...), and has a food deficit
1828 #9
1830 #10
1832 #11, Fusion Power, sold aquaduct
1834 #12
1836 #13
1838 #14
1840 #15
1842 component #1
1844 #2, communism, fundamentalism from spanish (they have fission, advanced flight, mobile warfare and rocketry now)
1846 #3, temple sold
1848 #4 (just 5 more rounds to hold the alliances together before I can build a military, city walls, SDI, SAM...*crossed fingers*)
1850 #5...
1851 #6, sell research lab
1852 Module #1 combustion for 400 gp (persians) ,Advanced flight for theology, 100 gp (sioux) ,sell university (valencia stole mined hills - down to 63 production)
1853 Module #2, sell library
1854 Module #3, launch
1855 marines
1856 marines
1857 city walls
1858 SAM
1859 barracks
1860 armor
1861 armor
1862 alpine troops
1863 alpine troops
1864 alpine troops, space flight and robotics for combined arms (spanish)
1865 howitzer
1866 spy (spanish start going structural wild )
1867 fighter (spanish build 7 structurals and a module, just happy to keep them worshipful )
1868 alpine troops
1869 AC!!! new PR (SCGunner the Terrible (40%) of the Posse)


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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

[Smash]

You are catching up.

In landing dates and Fortnight OCCs

[Ribannah]

OCC #13
Deity
MGE

Quite a challenge for the MGE player ! Of course we had no choice but to whipe out those 4 little civs. Later, we found a great 4 Whales spot not too far away ....
As it was, it was hard work to improve all that land , we were almost too late.
We decided to build both Marco Polo and Eiffel to get rid of a horrible science penalty and to restore our reputation. It worked rather well

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AC: 1746

Monarchy: -3800
Republic: -1050
Democracy: 460

Colossus: -2000
Marco Polo: -875
Shakespeare: -600
Copernicus: -150
Newton: 420
Eiffel: 720
Leonardo: 1000
Darwin: 1300
Apollo: 1510

Trade routes: -1250, -1200, -1100

Size 12: -450
Size 19: 400
Size 27: 1460

Trade: -2600
Construction: -725
Sanitation: 260
Refrigeration: 720

Automobile: 1140
Computers: 1320
Space Flight: 1500
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-3950 What the h... - oh well, before they destroy each other - this is MGE, remember? ...
N-Chariot(h)
Demanded tribute - no wars declared
Sioux destroyed -> Alphabet, Excellent
Carthagians destroyed -> Code of Laws, 1 gold, Honorable
Vikings destroyed -> Ceremonial Burial, Questionable, N-Archers(h)
Persians destroyed -> Bronze Working, status not given (do we start at spotless again??)
Rio Pecos founded
-3900 50(h)
-3800 Monarchy(h)
-3700 50(h), revolution
-3650 Temple, starting Colossus, MONARCHY, N-Archers(h)
-3600 Currency(h) , Spanish, traded for Pottery, Peace, 5 techs->S, no Ally , our reputation is Dishonorable (they remember ...)
-3500 S2
-3450 100(h) , Barb Horsemen(h) - killed
-3350 Japanese, Peace, 6 techs->J, no Ally
-3250 S3
-3200 Mysticism(h)
-3150 English, Peace, 6 techs->E, no Ally
-3100 N-Chariot(h)
-3000 Mongols, Peace, 7 techs->M, no Ally , 50
-2950 S4, 75<-S (saw them catch a Barb Leader)
-2900 French, Peace, 3 techs->F, no Ally , "Mongols destroyed by French"
-2850 Horseback Riding(h)
-2750 Barb Chariot, 2 techs->S, 50 (knew they had more )
-2650 S5
-2600 50(h) (after 3xKells), Trade(h)
-2450 N-Archers(h), starting to mine the Wheat
-2400 50,50 <- J,S
-2350 S6
-2250 50(h), Barb Horsemen
-2050 Barb Chariot
-2000 COLOSSUS, S7, Barb Leader (150), 50,50 <-J,F,S
-1950 Marketplace
-1900 Barb Archers
-1850 Barb Leader (150)
-1800 Writing
-1750 Library, Wheat into Silk #1, 3 techs->F, 50 <-E
-1700 Gems
-1600 Cloth, 50(h)
-1500 Hides, S8, Barb Archers, 50<-S
-1400 Hides
-1300 Hides
-1250 Literacy, We Love , Gems to Madrid (80), traded for Warrior Code(J), 4 techs->J, 50 , Ally(E) for War(F) -> reputation is Poor
-1200 Wine, Cloth to Madrid (80), Barb Archers (Barbs cutting off route to Tokyo), 5 techs->E
-1100 Food, Philosophy -> The Republic, Hides to Madrid (80), Feudalism(h), traded for The Wheel(S), 6 techs->S, Revolution
-1050 REPUBLIC, Cease Fire(F), 6 techs->F, Where are the remaining 2 tribes??
-1000 Hides, 50(h)
-975 N-Archers(h)
-950 Hides
-900 Hides, Medicine
-875 MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY, Indians: traded for map Making, Seafaring and Masonry, Peace, 6 techs->I, Maps, no Ally ,
Americans: 12 techs->A, Maps, no Peace!, 4 techs->E, Maps, no gift , 1 tech->S, 8 techs->J, Maps, Barb Archers
-825 Hides
-800 Hides to Osaka (d,160)
-775 Hides, Hides to Kyoto (86)
-750 1 tech->F,E
-725 Hides, Construction, Hides to Madrid (d,184)
-675 Hides, 50(h) (after 4xKells)
-650 Barb Leader (150)
-625 Hides
-600 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
-575 We Love , Wheat into Silk #2, 3 techs->E, no gift , 1 tech->I, beaker req goes up, not down
-550 Aquaduct, S9
-525 Mathematics, S10
-500 Settlers
-475 S11, traded for Iron Working(S)
-450 Hides, S12, traded for Banking(F), 5 techs->F, Maps, 3 techs->I, Peace bug, no renewal of treaty , 4 techs->A, 1 tech->E, 25 (wow!)
-425 We Love ends
-400 Hides
-375 3 techs->E, 25
-350 Bank
-300 Hides
-250 Hides
-200 Hides
-175 Astronomy, 1 tech->F,A,E, 50<-E , Americans: LIGHTHOUSE
-150 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
-100 Gold, 5 techs->J, Maps, English end Alliance
-50 University
-25 French: PYRAMIDS
1 University, traded for Chivalry(S), 6 techs->S, Maps
40 Food
60 Economics
120 Stock Exchange
160 Food, Theory of Gravity
200 Food
220 Traded for Engineering(I), 4,5,4 techs->I,F,E, Maps
240 Food
260 Sanitation, We Love , di N-Chariot, 1 tech->J
280 Sewer System, S13
300 S14
320 Food, S15, Senate signs Peace Treaty with the French behind our back - we could not do that by ourselves
340 S16, Wheat into Silk #3
360 Food, S17, everybody has turned hostile now
380 Invention, S18, A demand 100, we refuse, no war , traded for Navigation(A), 6,3 techs->A,F, Maps
400 Food, S19 (no food surplus anymore), Gold to Lyons (125), 7,6 techs->J,S, Maps, 3 techs->I, Peace
420 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE, Democracy, We Love ends , Wheat into Silk #4 -> hunger=3, 1 tech->F
440 Revolution
460 Spice, DEMOCRACY
480 Physics, English capture Rheims
500 Food
520 Magnetism
540 Gold
560 Steam Engine
580 Wine
600 Gunpowder, Spice to Madrid (d,249), 5,4,6 techs->J,F,I, Maps
620 Food
640 Metallurgy
660 Food
680 Electricity
700 Food, Gold to Toledo (d,195) - building up the Spanish
720 EIFFEL TOWER -> Honorable, Refrigeration, Wine to Madrid (83), Americans: GREAT LIBRARY
760 Supermarket, Chemistry, 4,11,4 techs->J,E,F, Ally(F) for War(E)
780 Traded for Bridge Building(S), 8 techs->S, Maps, Ally(S) for War(J) (huh? how did they get into contact??), 75 , 10 techs->A, Peace
800 Food, Explosives, 1,2,2 techs->F,E,J Cease Fire(E,J)
840 Food, Railroad, 7 techs->I, Maps, Ally(I) for War(A), 50 , Barbs take Madras
860 Traded for Conscription(F), 1,2,3,2,1 techs->F,J,A,E,S Cease Fire(A), no gifts
880 Industrialization, 1 tech->I
920 Factory, reputation now Excellent , 1 tech->J,F,S,E,I, 125<-F , Indians recapture Madras
940 The Corporation, 1 tech->S,F, 100,50 , 1 tech->E
960 1 tech->I,S, 100<-S
980 1 tech->S, 50 (they still have 1789 gold though)
1000 LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP
1020 Refining, 1 tech->S,F,I, 125,50,25
1040 Spice
1060 Steel, 1 tech->S,F,I, 125,50,50
1080 Gems
1100 Combustion, 1 tech->S,F,I, 200,50,50 , 3,2 techs->E,J, J won't trade their Leadership
1120 Engineers, S18, J break Cease Fire, J Cannon, only F declare War(J)
1140 Automobile
1160 Superhighways -> science output almost doubles
1180 Electronics, S19, 1 tech->S,F,I, -,50,50
1200 Hydroplant
1220 Mass Production
1240 3 techs->E, Peace, Japanese still won't trade Leadership
1260 Leadership, Gems to York (d,722), 1 tech->S,F,I, -,50,50 , 9 techs->A, Peace
1280 Tactics, We Love , French capture Hastings
1300 DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Machine Tools, Miniaturization, S20, 1 tech->F,S,I, -,75,50 , 1,3 techs->E,A
1320 Computers, S21, Spice to Tours (d,1070), J Cannon, 1 tech->S, 75
1340 Research Lab, Flight, S22, J Dragoons
1360 Engineers
1380 Radio, S23
1400 S24
1420 Advanced Flight, S25
1440 S26
1460 Rocketry, S27, sold Sewer System
1480 We Love ends , sold Aquaduct
1500 Space Flight, sold Temple, 1 tech->S, 200 , J Cannon
1510 APOLLO PROGRAM, Grassland/r into Hills/r, 1 tech->S, 200 , we make 50+ shields
1520 S01, Plastics, 1 tech->S,F, 200,50 , Spanish: STATUE OF LIBERTY
1530 S02, Space Flight->S,F, 200,50
1540 S03, Atomic Theory, Plastics->S,F 200,50
1550 S04, 11,8,12,6,8 techs->E,A,I,S,F, Maps, 50<-F
1560 S05, Nuclear Fission, Grassland/r into Hills/r, mined -> 60+ shields
1570 S06, Spanish: MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
1580 S07, Nuclear Power
1590 S08
1600 S09, The Laser
1610 S10
1620 S11
1630 S12
1640 S13, Fusion Power, sold Research Lab
1650 S14, sold University
1660 S15, sold Library, J Dragoons
1670 C01, disbanded 2 Engineers
1680 C02, di N-Knights, sold Hydroplant
1690 M01, di N-Knights, sold Factory
1700 M02, di N-Riflemen, sold Bank -> 19 gold, 3 N-Riflemen, 1 N-Engineers, 1 Engineers
1710 M03, LAUNCH 15-1-1-1-1-1
1711 Bank
1712 Library
1713 Factory, traded for Mobile Warfare(S), Monotheism(S), Communism(F), Polytheism(F), 1 tech->S,F, 150,200
1714 University
1715 Research Lab, 50->J for Cease Fire
1716 Mass Transit, Recycling
1718 Environmentalism
1720 Solar Plant, Robotics
1721 Japanese: WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE
1722 SAM Missile Battery, Stealth, Japanese break Cease Fire, J Cannon
1724 City Walls
1726 Manufacturing Plant, Future Tech 1, traded for Theology(F), 1 tech->F, 150
1729 J Cavalry, all AI tribes are building spaceships, no modules yet, J Bomber can't reach us
1731 Future Tech 3
1733 Future Tech 4
1734 UNITED NATIONS, reputation is Spotless by now, Peace(J), Spanish: M01
1736 Future Tech 5, 90 shields
1739 MICHELANGELO'S CHAPEL, Future Tech 6
1741 Traded for Amphibious Warfare (S), Guerilla Warfare(I), 1 tech->S,I, 100 , French: JS BACH'S CATHEDRAL, Japanese sneak attack, J Armor
1742 Future Tech 7
1743 Sold Research Lab
1744 SETI PROGRAM
1745 Stealth Fighter, Future Tech 8, J Cannon, J Diplomat
1746 ALPHA CENTAURI

Score: 428 (55%)

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[This message has been edited by Ribannah (edited October 18, 2000).]