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  • #31
    I think I remember seeing a Civ-ToT file converter in the downloads section of apolyton.

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    • #32
      We found out about the big ocean when we bribed a Barbarian frigate!!

      AC: 1905
      Score: 572 (74%)

      -4000 Athens
      -3950 Peace
      -3850 War
      -3750 Alphabet, Warriors
      -3500 Warriors, Size 2
      -3150 Ceremonial Burial
      -3000 Size 3, Cease Fire
      -2900 Temple
      -2800 Warriors
      -2600 Bronze Working
      -2300 B Leader (100)
      -2200 B Leader (100), Size 4
      -2000 Code of Laws
      -1850 War
      -1800 R Warrior
      -1550 Monarchy
      -1450 MONARCHY, B Leader (100)
      -1250 R Warrior
      -1200 R Warrior
      -1150 COLOSSUS, R Warrior
      -1100 Peace, T(raded for) Writing
      -1000 Library, Size 5
      -975 Mysticism, War, R Warrior
      -950 R Warrior
      -925 B Leader (100)
      -900 Diplomat, S Pottery
      -875 Granary
      -800 Size 6
      -775 B Leader (100)
      -750 Diplomat, Embassy
      -725 Currency
      -700 Marketplace
      -675 Size 7
      -625 Diplomat
      -550 Diplomat, Size 8
      -525 Trade
      -450 Coal
      -400 Coal to R (42)
      -375 Masonry, R Archer
      -350 Silver
      -325 Silver to Nicosia (44)
      -300 R Archer
      -250 Wine, Construction
      -200 Aquaduct, Wine to Nicosia (44)
      -175 Size 9
      -150 R Archer
      -125 B(ribed) B(arbarian) diplomat
      -100 Mathematics, Fortress on East Silk
      -50 Size 10
      20 B Leader (100)
      40 B Leader (100)
      60 Astronomy, B Leader (100)
      80 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
      100 Size 11
      120 Literacy
      200 Philosophy, The Republic
      220 REPUBLIC
      240 B Leader (100)
      280 Medicine, Size 12
      300 R Horseman
      340 Horseback Riding
      380 R Chariot
      420 The Wheel
      460 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
      500 Engineering
      520 B Leader (100), R Chariot
      560 City Walls
      580 Sanitation
      600 Sewer System, WLtCD, R Chariot
      620 Size 13
      640 Size 14
      660 University, Size 15
      680 University, Size 16
      700 Size 17, R Chariot
      720 Theory of Gravity, Size 18
      740 Size 19
      760 Size 20, R Legion, Construction to R, Cease Fire
      780 Size 21
      800 Invention, WLtCD cancelled
      860 Banking
      920 Warrior Code
      980 Iron Working
      1020 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
      1040 Bridge Building, B B Legion (NONE)
      1060 Bank, T Feudalism, Peace, B Leader
      1080 Size 22
      1100 Economics, WLtCD, Sneak by R, G Diplomat (our only loss!!)
      1120 Stock Exchange, Size 23, R Chariot
      1140 WLtCD cancelled
      1220 Gunpowder
      1260 King Richard's Crusade
      1280 Chemistry
      1340 Explosives, R Settler
      1400 Seafaring, R Elephant
      1440 LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP, Peace, T Polytheism
      1460 Engineers, Metallurgy
      1480 B B Legion
      1510 Navigation, R Sneak, R Elephant
      1540 Physics
      1570 Magnetism
      1580 ADAM SMITH'S TRADING CO.
      1600 Electricity
      1620 R Knights
      1630 HANGING GARDENS, Refrigeration
      1640 WLtCD
      1650 Supermarket
      1660 Diplomat, Democracy, Size 23, DEMOCRACY, B B Crusaders
      1670 Size 24, B Leader (100)
      1680 Size 25, Peace, T Chivalry
      1690 Conscription, B Leader (100), B Leader
      1700 Size 26
      1710 WLtPD cancelled
      1720 Steam Engine, R Sneak, R Knights
      1730 Cloth, 2 R Settlers
      1750 Food, Railroad
      1752 Engineers, Size 25
      1756 Leadership
      1758 R Legion
      1760 R Knights
      1762 Tactics
      1768 Industrialization, R Kegion, R Knights
      1770 DARWIN'S VOYAGE, The Corporation, Electronics, WLtPD
      1772 Size 26
      1774 Factory, Size 27
      1776 WLtPD cancelled, Peace
      1780 Food
      1782 Food, Sneak
      1784 Food, Combustion, R Settler
      1786 Food
      1788 Food
      1790 Food
      1792 Food, R Legion
      1794 Oil, WLtPD, R Legion
      1796 Food, Size 28
      1798 Food, Automobile, Size 29
      1800 Superhighways, Size 30, Sold Granary
      1802 Food, Size 31
      1804 Food, Machine Tools, Size 32, R Knights
      1806 Food, B Leader (100), R Crusaders
      1808 Food, B Leader (100), Legion
      1810 Food, Miniaturization, Oil to Rome (112), Cloth to Rome (112)
      1812 10 Food to Wonder
      1814 HOOVER DAM, sold Hydroplant, Peace, T Monotheism
      1816 Mass Production
      1818 Mass Transit, B Leader (100), R Sneak, R Crusaders
      1822 Computers, Grassland into Hill
      1824 SETI Program, B Leader (100)
      1826 Oil, Atomic Theory
      1828 Gems
      1830 Food, Nuclear Fission
      1832 Food, B Leader (100), B B Frigate (NONE), R Legion, R Crusaders
      1834 Food, Nuclear Power, R Knights
      1836 Food
      1838 Food, The Laser
      1840 Food
      1842 Food, Mobile Warfare, R Knights, R Crusaders
      1844 Food
      1846 Food, Robotics, R Catapult, R Legion
      1848 Food, Gems to Rome (108), Oil to Rome (108), Crusaders
      1850 Food, Communism, R Knights
      1851 Food, Peace
      1852 Food, Grassland to Hills
      1853 Food, Flight, R Sneak, R Crusaders
      1854 Oil, R Catapult
      1855 Cloth
      1856 Food, Radio
      1857 Manufacturing Plant
      1858 Barracks
      1859 Armor, Advanced Flight
      1862 Rocketry
      1864 R Crusaders
      1865 Space Flight, R Knights
      1866 Apollo Program
      1867 SSS, Peace, R Steal Space Flight, War
      1868 SSS, Plastics, R Crusaders
      1869 SSS
      1870 SSS
      1871 SSS, Superconductor, Sold Aquaduct, R Crusaders
      1872 SSS
      1873 SSS, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
      1874 SSS
      1875 SSS, Fusion Power, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
      1876 SSS
      1877 SSS, R Diplomat, R Settlers, R Crusaders
      1878 SSS
      1879 SSS
      1880 SSS
      1881 SSM
      1882 SSM
      1883 SSC, Peace
      1884 SSC
      1885 SSC
      1886 SSC, R Sneak, R Knights, R Crusaders
      1887 SSC, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
      1888 SSC
      1889 SSM, Theology, R Crusaders
      1890 SSS, LAUNCH, R Knights
      1891 EIFFEL TOWER, R Diplomat
      1893 Genetic Engineering
      1896 MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
      1897 Recycling
      1898 LIGHTHOUSE
      1900 MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY
      1901 Environmentalism
      1902 GREAT LIBRARY, Peace
      1904 CURE FOR CANCER, WLtPD
      1905 ALPHA CENTAURI

      * Score 572 (74%) *


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      If you have no feet, don't walk on fire
      A horse! A horse! Mingapulco for a horse! Someone must give chase to Brave Sir Robin and get those missing flags ...
      Project Lead of Might and Magic Tribute

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      • #33
        Hey Paul,

        do you think you could post a chart with the dates corresponding to selected turn numbers on your OCC page, maybe having a link to it from the comparison tables?

        It seems like i remember seeing one somewhere in this forum but don't remember where, and that would certainly make things easier for the newer OCCer's to interpret it. Working through the OCC games I started printing out the comparison tables from my completed games, but I was constantly converting between the dates in my logs and the turn numbers in the table.

        And as a side note to comparison tables, once you come close to what other good OCCers have done, it really is a big help to see where you went wrong. In #9 (my most recently finished game), I can see that the stretch from sanitation to refrigeration is where I lost it. I was actually first to size 21, and first to Shakes, but was one of the slowest to go from sanitation to refrigeration. Maybe I really should have built Darwins... Look out in #16, I may be a force to contend with

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        April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

        SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

        *goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*
        Insert witty phrase here

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        • #34
          I already have such a list on my site: http://members.home.nl/paulvdb/turns.htm

          After oedo's discovery about revolutions I just updated the list with asterisks behind the turns in which new governments will be established.

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          • #35
            SCG: No doubt about it, once on the learning curve, the snowball effect comes into play.

            I've termed the comparison learning "incremental learning". I've found that playing through the extant comparison games up to a certain stage and comparing where I am, is extremely helpful. So my first objective stage was something like Republic Govt. and when I've learnt where my mistakes were, the next stage would be "Democracy" and so on.

            Although the "incidents" in each fortnightly comparison game would be apparent from the reading of the logs, it would also be interesting to have a little addendum to the table like "major problems" eg global warming, Barb activity...which give an insight into the result achieved.

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            • #36
              Ribanah - I noticed the 'We' are you also more than one person hiding behind a single handle??


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              "CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
              "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
              "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

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              • #37
                probably the royal we...

                quote:

                but was one of the slowest to go from sanitation to refrigeration. Maybe I really should have built Darwins...


                SCG, you should go for refrigeration before going for railroad. Your above statement suggests you detoured to railroad, which would explain why you were slower than others.

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                • #38
                  quote:

                  Originally posted by Tom SCG, you should go for refrigeration before going for railroad. Your above statement suggests you detoured to railroad, which would explain why you were slower than others.


                  good catch, i checked some of my logs, and while i went for sanitation before railroad in some of the games, i didn't in that one. Kind of a surprise for me as I'm one of those who seems to focus on growth over science more than some of the others here. I'm still trying to decide whether I'd rather have wheat or silk - i'm starting to lean towards wheat at this point. Also I think I may be leaning to wine over gold (i know, they don't convert to each other), although that will take a bit more testing.

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                  April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

                  SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

                  *goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*
                  Insert witty phrase here

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                  • #39
                    And here we were tending towards silk over wheat. My goblins and I, that is - go to my home page to find out more

                    Btw I tried another strategy for this scenario: going to Republic straight away, bypassing Monarchy. We reached AC in 1891.

                    I'm playing #15 a third time; now we give all our new tech to the Romans right away, instead of trying to trade (which is HARD in MGE!), in order to keep the lagging-behind bonus. They won't start wonders anyway.

                    Btw, has anyone seen Nicosia grow beyond size 8? In my games, they never build in aquaduct, while they do have plenty of extra food. They simply keep making military units (and explorers, yuck!) to throw them away at my defence.

                    - Rib -

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                    If you have no feet, don't walk on fire
                    A horse! A horse! Mingapulco for a horse! Someone must give chase to Brave Sir Robin and get those missing flags ...
                    Project Lead of Might and Magic Tribute

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                    • #40
                      Hey! My new strategy worked, the first discoveries came real fast with the Romans always in the lead - til they didn't want any more free techs and started their well-known skirmishes and betrayals. Still couldn't kill my initial Phalanx, fortified on the silk, and believe me, they tried

                      I also took up the habit of posting my caravans on the shore - leaving open just the one gap for barbarians where they would immediately attack Athens, to keep those gold servings coming.
                      Further, we turned two river squares into hills, and the one wheat into a third silk.
                      Something noteworthy: the Romans were (again) able to build a unit every turn, despite having only 8 shields or so, and still gaining money in the process. I'm almost sure that they were able to create TWO units a turn at some point!

                      OCC #15
                      Deity
                      AC: 1868

                      Monarchy: -1850
                      Republic: -225
                      Democracy: 860

                      Colossus: -1900
                      Copernicus: -450
                      Shakespeare: 160
                      Newton: 740
                      Darwin: 1620
                      Apollo: 1808

                      Trade routes: -925, -875, -825

                      Size 12: 260
                      Size 21: 1020

                      Trade: -975
                      Construction: -300
                      Sanitation: 460
                      Refrigeration: 1360

                      Automobile: 1620
                      Computer: 1760
                      Space Flight: 1806

                      -4000 Athens, using silk/r
                      -3950 Peace
                      -3800 Bronze Working, to R
                      -3650 Phalanx, started Colossus
                      -3600 wheat irrigated/road, switching
                      -3350 Alphabet, S2
                      -2900 Code of Laws, to R
                      -2750 wine mined
                      -2650 S3
                      -2400 Ceremonial Burial, to R
                      -2150 B Leader
                      -2000 B pillaged wheat
                      -1950 B Leader
                      -1900 COLOSSUS, Monarchy, to R
                      -1850 MONARCHY, B Leader
                      -1800 Temple
                      -1600 Phalanx, S4
                      -1550 B Leader
                      -1500 WLtKD
                      -1400 Writing
                      -1350 Library
                      -1200 Currency, to R
                      -1150 Marketplace
                      -975 Trade, to R, B Leader
                      -950 Hides, S5
                      -925 Hides to N (44)
                      -900 Mysticism, to R
                      -875 Silver to N (44)
                      -850 Coal
                      -825 Masonry, Coal to N (46)
                      -800 Hides
                      -750 Hides, Mathematics, to R
                      -700 B Leader
                      -675 Hides
                      -650 Astronomy, to R
                      -625 Hides
                      -575 Hides, B Leader, 5 Hides to Wonder
                      -500 Literacy, to R
                      -450 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY, S6
                      -425 Philosphy, University
                      -350 Pottery, B Leader
                      -325 University
                      -300 Construction, Philosophy to R
                      -275 Hides
                      -225 The Republic, REPUBLIC
                      -200 S7, sold Temple
                      -175 Hides, Medicine, War
                      -125 Hides, R Horsemen
                      -100 R Catapult
                      -75 Banking
                      -25 B Leader, R Br Phalanx, R Phalanx
                      20 Warrior Code
                      120 Economics, 4 Hides to Wonder
                      160 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
                      180 WLtCD
                      200 S9, The Republic to R, Cease Fire
                      220 Horseback Riding, S10
                      240 S11
                      260 S12, B Leader
                      280 Bank
                      300 The Wheel
                      340 Hides, Peace
                      380 Engineering
                      400 Hides
                      460 Hides, Sanitation
                      520 WLtCD
                      540 Sewer System, S13, R Sneak Horsemen
                      560 Theory of Gravity, S14, R Catapult
                      580 S15
                      600 Cloth, S16
                      620 S17, B leader
                      640 Food, Iron Working, S18
                      660 S19
                      680 Food, S20
                      700 S21
                      720 Food, Bridge Building, WLtCD cancelled
                      740 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
                      780 Stock Exchange, Invention
                      820 Wine
                      840 Democracy
                      860 Cloth, DEMOCRACY
                      880 R Horsemen
                      900 Food, Gunpowder
                      920 R Catapult, Wine to N (50)
                      940 Food, Chemistry, Cloth to N (47), R Horsemen
                      960 Horsemen, R Explorer
                      980 Explosives
                      1000 Engineers, S20, WLtPD
                      1020 S21
                      1040 Wine, Map Making, S22, R Catapult
                      1060 S23, R Horsemen
                      1080 Food, WLtPD cancelled
                      1100 Metallurgy, R Catapult, R Horsemen
                      1120 Food
                      1140 Diplomat, B B Legion, St Navigation
                      1160 Seafaring, Wine to N (53), R Chariot
                      1180 Wine, R Catapult
                      1200 Physics, Peace
                      1220 Food, WLtPD
                      1240 S24, R Sneak Chariot
                      1260 Food, Magnetism, WLtPD cancelled
                      1280 R Catapult, R Chariot
                      1300 Food, wheat into silk, 4 Food to Wonder
                      1320 PYRAMIDS, Electricity, R Catapult, R Chariot
                      1340 Hides, to R (54), Wine to R (81), R Phalanx
                      1360 Refrigeration
                      1380 Supermarket
                      1400 R Chariot
                      1420 Engineers, Steam Engine, R Pikemen, R Catapult
                      1440 B Leader
                      1460 Hides
                      1480 Railroad
                      1500 Wine
                      1510 Hides
                      1520 Industrialization, R Catapult, R Chariot
                      1530 Hides, WLtPD, Peace, Tr Feudalism
                      1540 S24, Hides to N (36)
                      1550 Hides, The Corporation, S25
                      1560 S26
                      1570 Hides, WLtPD cancelled
                      1580 Refining, Tr Chivalry
                      1590 Hides, R Sneak Chariot
                      1600 R Chariot, WLtPD, R Knights
                      1610 S27, B Leader, R Knights
                      1620 DARWIN'S VOYAGE, Combustion, Automobile, S28, R Catapult
                      1630 Superhighways, R Pikemen
                      1640 Electronics
                      1650 Oil, R Catapult, R Knights
                      1660 Conscription, R Settlers
                      1670 Hides, R Catapult, R Knights
                      1680 Leadership
                      1690 Hides, WLtPD, R Catapult, B Leader, R Knights
                      1700 S29
                      1710 Hides, to N (109), Tactics, S30, R Catapult, R Knights
                      1730 Factory, Machine Tools, R catapult, sold Sewer System, Hides to N (146), R Knights
                      1750 Miniaturization, R Catapult, R Settlers, Peace
                      1754 Hydroplant, sold Aquaduct
                      1756 Mass Production, Hides to N (95), Hides to N (142), Hides to N (142)
                      1758 Mass Transit, B Leader
                      1760 Hides, Computers
                      1762 Research Lab
                      1764 Hides, Atomic Theory
                      1766 Hides, B Leader
                      1768 Hides, Nuclear Power
                      1770 Hides
                      1772 Hides, Nuclear Fission, plains into hills
                      1774 Hides
                      1776 Hides, Mobile Warfare
                      1778 Barracks, di Horsemen
                      1780 Armor, Robotics, War, R Catapult, R Settlers, R Knights, R Knights
                      1782 Hides
                      1784 Hides, Flight
                      1786 Hides, grassland(s) into hills, R Catapult
                      1788 Hides
                      1790 Hides, Radio, R Knights, R Legion
                      1792 Hides, R Catapult
                      1794 Gems
                      1796 Food, Advanced Flight, R Catapult
                      1798 Food, R Knights
                      1800 Food
                      1802 Food, di Legion, Gems to N (68), 7xHides to N (6x91), R Knights
                      1804 Manufacturing Plant, di Engineers, R Catapult
                      1806 Space Flight, R Knights
                      1808 APOLLO PROGRAM, Catapult
                      1810 SSS, Peace
                      1812 SSS, Plastics
                      1814 SSS
                      1816 SSS
                      1818 SSS, The Laser
                      1820 SSS
                      1822 SSS
                      1824 SSS, Superconductor
                      1826 SSS
                      1828 SSS
                      1830 SSS, Fusion Power
                      1832 SSS
                      1834 SSS
                      1836 SSS, R Sneak Knights
                      1838 SSS, R Diplomat, R Musketeers, R Catapult
                      1840 SSM
                      1842 SSM, R Diplomat, R Knights
                      1844 SSM
                      1846 SSC, R Diplomat, R Musketeers, R Knights
                      1848 SSC, R Catapult
                      1850 SSC, R Knights
                      1851 SSC, R Settlers, R Musketeers, R Catapult
                      1852 SSC
                      1853 SSC, LAUNCH, R Settlers, R Pikemen, R Pikemen
                      1854 R Knights, R Explorer, R Archers
                      1855 MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY, R Legion
                      1857 HANGING GARDENS, R Catapult
                      1858 R Knights
                      1859 LIGHTHOUSE, Peace
                      1861 ADAM SMITH'S TRADING CO., dis Engineers, R Sneak Knights, R Catapult
                      1862 MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
                      1863 R Knights
                      1864 R Catapult
                      1865 EIFFEL TOWER, R Settlers
                      1866 ORACLE
                      1867 SETI PROGRAM, WLtPD, Peace, Tr Communism
                      1868 ALPHA CENTAURI

                      Score 451 (58%)

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                      If you have no feet, don't walk on fire
                      A horse! A horse! Mingapulco for a horse! Someone must give chase to Brave Sir Robin and get those missing flags ...
                      Project Lead of Might and Magic Tribute

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                      • #41
                        quote:

                        Originally posted by Ribannah on 08-21-2000 10:55 AM
                        Btw, has anyone seen Nicosia grow beyond size 8? In my games, they never build in aquaduct, while they do have plenty of extra food. They simply keep making military units (and explorers, yuck!) to throw them away at my defence.

                        - Rib -



                        Actually, i think the problem with all the explorers we saw was because the Romans are agressive exansionist. Perhaps this scenario should have taken place on a small Japanese island, since the Japanese are agressive perfectionist. That or edited the rules.txt to make the romans perfectionist. I might give #15 another go sometime now that I have about 10 OCC games under my belt instead of just 1 when i did it the first time.

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                        April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

                        SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

                        *goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*
                        Insert witty phrase here

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                        • #42
                          OK, Paul, it's been 2 weeks (I posted occ15 2 tuesday's ago). Can you post Oldman's latest effort now?

                          (I'm not busy this afternoon, so would like to waste time playing civ )

                          Oldman, if you read this post before Paul, can you please email me occ16.

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                          • #43
                            OCC16 has been uploaded, see new thread for url.

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