Fortnight OCC Competition Proposition

[Aurelius]

I'll be sure to build diplomats--'less he can change the bribe cost too

[Sten Sture]

I was thinking labels, credits and leaders not rules.

[Sten Sture]

Aurelius@fog.city - If you make a map of all ocean you can readily see the special pattern. All specials are base-case either fish or whales. Edit the terrain to the various land types and you can see the effects, cheers.
[This message has been edited by Sten Sture (edited January 12, 2000).]

[Carolus Rex]

Aurelius, try this

http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum1/HT...tml?date=20:46

You're almost there buddy, add another "I"!

Carolus

[Sten Sture]

I just sent out a scenario version of the OCC game to some of you. I have more email addresses at my office and I will follow up later. Hopefully Paul can get this save onto his website and everyone can download it easily. You will need to "start scenario" instead of a game and choose the Greek civ of Marcos Apolyton to make it work correctly. Have fun! If you want an emailed copy quickly, email me at kcarlson@jurika.com instead of the email listed in my profile. Cheers!

[Paul]

You can now download a zipped or unzipped version of this scenario from my site.
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited May 06, 2000).]

[don Don]

Paul,
Is the rules.txt file different for 2.42 than from the original CD (mine is from 1996)? The file dates and lengths are the same.

[Scouse Gits]

donD
I just checked the rules.txt on my CD (v1.08 I think) is dated 23 Feb 1996 and is 25693 bytes long. Rules.txt from v2.42 is dated 5 Aug 1996 and is 25824 bytes long.
I hope this helps.

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Aurelius - what I have heard in this forum about terraforming is that it only works if you start with grassland. I have tried this with grassland and it works for me about 2/3 of the time. I have never tried it with other terrain so I don't know what would happen.

I received the scenario via email this morning and will try it tonight when I get home.

[Scouse Gits]

Aurelius, Crow: I believe that the "hidden sweet spot" can only occur on grassland with shield.

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[crowatbitemedotcom]

D'oh! SG, I think you are right. The game I played the other night had a plain grassland square in the spot...

BTW, can you terraform to anything you like? I've only changed to hills (since I usually need the extra production).

[Sten Sture]

I have had questions on whether a non shielded grassland can occur in the special sweet spot but have just assumed that I was seeing things.

crow - the best way to check for specials is to convert grassland to forest. It takes much less time and a little old settler can do it right away. If you get silk - you get the trade, and if you get a pheasant you can keep it for a bit for food or irrigate it and it becomes plains and a buffalo, which also gets trade.

I posted a while back the order of specials from the base fish and whales, but I did it off of the top of my head and I can't remember right now, other than silk -> wheat and pheasant -> buffalo.

Hope everyone has fun with the game! There is a twist you will notice when you first open it up.
[This message has been edited by Sten Sture (edited January 13, 2000).]

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Sten - You can convert it twice?!?! Oh, I thought I had read something here that you could only do it once. But if you can do it twice, then I will try that. So you are saying that you can also change buffalo to silk and then to coal? Boy, the things I don't know. I will try that too.

[Sten Sture]

NoYesNoYes...
You can change buffalo to pheasant and back to buffalo, over and over, but you can never change buffalo to silk. Wheat you can change back and forth to silk but you will never get buffalo or pheasant. I can't recall what the hill result of either one is, but it will always be the same.

[inca911]

Manipulation of Special Terrain Squares

You can terraform these special terrain squares into different special terrains as follows:

Buffalo: Mine to Pheasant
Coal: Transform to Buffalo
Fruit: Transform to Wheat
Furs: Transform to Oil(in Desert)
Pheasant: Irrigate to Buffalo
Musk Ox: Transform to Oasis
Gems: Mine to Pheasant, Transform to Buffalo
Gold: Transform to Coal
Iron: Transform to Wine--very useful!
Ivory: Transform to Musk Ox
Oasis: Transform to Buffalo
Oil(in Desert): Transform to Wheat
Oil(in Glacier): Transform to Furs
Peat: Mine to Pheasant, Transform to Buffalo
Silk: Irrigate to Wheat
Spice: Tranform to Wheat
Wheat: Mine to Silk--very useful!
Wine: Transform to Wheat

Note that you can also terraform a special into a non-special terrain, but the "potential" of the square remains the same, which means you can then terraform it again and create a special. I've used the special modification trick in order to manipulate the specials in my OCC game with great success. I especially like the Iron Transformed to Wine trick!