Oil and Uranium

[techumseh]

While the discovery of Industrialization creates cities which supply oil and Nuclear Fission creates cities that supply uranium, what I don't know is what creates the demand for these commodities. Does anyone know what does?

[solo]

Yes, check out this thread.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67754

For some reason the link is not working, but I have bumped the thread, entitled "How Supply and Demand Lists Are Determined"

[techumseh]

Thanks.

[techumseh]

That's REALLY complicated! I'm not sure I followed everything.

[Scouse Gits]

Re: Oil and Uranium

Originally posted by techumseh
While the discovery of Industrialization creates cities which supply oil

Oil can be supplied by some cities long before that time.

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[Hydey]

I often have cities supply oil when first discovering trade and building carravans for trade routes. This is most annoying as no city will demand oil at this stage.

[rah]

And coal too. It's rare when a city demands coal early.

I never worry about cities demanding uranium. By the time a city supplies it, half my empire seems to demand it.

[War4ever]

yeah coal and oil early are a mystery....coal gives a good bonus too...same with oil...but it takes a long time before they are demanded.

sometimes i just send out the vans for routes to a big city in hopes the commodities will reset....but this doesn't always work.

[rah]

Yeah, even without it being demanded, delivering it to a large trade city can be good.

[solo]

Originally posted by techumseh
That's REALLY complicated! I'm not sure I followed everything.

I agree that it's very complicated, so you can imagine how hard is was for someone to figure it all out.

I have tried to simplify, summarize and explain many of Samson's findings in my Early Landing Guide. See the section on trade.

As noted by others, uranium supply is almost non-existent, but can sometimes be manipulated, using the info in Samson's thread.

While rare early in the game, the demand for coal can occur in cities that have grown quickly, which are near the poles, and which do not have strong demand for other commodities. Again, this demand can lay dormant until triggered by a cycle turn or the delivery of another commodity first.

(I repaired the link to Samson's thread, which also was repaired in my guide. Now they should both work.)

[rah]

Originally posted by solo
While rare early in the game, the demand for coal can occur in cities that have grown quickly, which are near the poles, and which do not have strong demand for other commodities. Again, this demand can lay dormant until triggered by a cycle turn or the delivery of another commodity first.

Yes, that has been my experience and it's nice to see experience lining up with the thoery.
If I have a coal demand, I will try to rush a coal there quickly before the city grows to the next change level.

[War4ever]

still the biggest aggravation, getting the coal there and boom....changes on you.....

but if it was easy all the time, other records would fall quicker...

i admit , that is a confusing read !

[solo]

Originally posted by War4ever
still the biggest aggravation, getting the coal there and boom....changes on you.....

but if it was easy all the time, other records would fall quicker...

i admit , that is a confusing read !

This used to be a major aggravation for me, too! Demand always seemed to change just one turn away from delivery, too!

You might want to keep track of city cycle turns, which is when demand lists are updated and changed. I've had no problems with late deliveries after doing this.

[rah]

In MP games early you don't have much time in between turns to pay attention to the minutea, but after reading the threads I try to pay a little attention to those types of things when possible. It has helped a little, but you need more time to do it right. And time is in short supply in those games.

[War4ever]

Thanks for advice solo, its more applicable in sp mode tho when time isnt' your enemy, unless the wife wants you to come to bed..... just one more turn honey i swear!!!!!

in mp, its far too time consuming to watch everything...gosh knows i can't .....its more like speed chess..