Huts and scrolls of wisdom

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by rah

I would also me interested to see the percentage is you just found a start with a hut in the opening screen and just opened it, reset and opened it again a 100 times.

One more test?
It's just like one more apple being offered to Eva
(now I know why you changed your avatar ).
But it's agreed: I shall test.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I'd like to test this too - are there any parameters I should use, for consistency?

In other words - does anyone think map size/civ version affects hut results?

I'm certain that barbarian settings do , as does the terrain that the hut is on.

Rah, that 20% for each option seems plausible but the 20% would be modified heavily (no AT on mountains/hills or before first city founded, no barbs before first city, etc.) would it not?

STYOM

[rah]

THe no AT on mountains, shouldn't change because you should get a nomad. On all the ones before first city, it looks like from his test that those impossible options manifest themselves as units. I always play deity raging so the empty village option never happens. We'll see after more testing

RAH

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by rah
We'll see after more testing

RAH

Which I shall do this evening after I get out of

...work.

[MattyBoy]

Love your member name, 6000

[La Fayette]

test

This test is meant to be compared with the one I made in december 2000: deity, 7 civs, raging hordes, standard map, Aztecs.
The previous test was 'restarting' (new game started as soon as one hut is tipped).
This one is 'reloading' (game saved just before tipping the first hut).

Results (reloading):
Units = 52 (24 horsemen, 20 archers, 8 chariots)
Techs = 16 (6 WarCode, 8 HorsebRid, 1 Mason, 1 Alpha)
Gold = 32 (25g = 5, 50g = 24, 100g = 3)

Previous test (restarting):
Units = 58 (19 horsemen, 31 archers, 8 chariots)
Techs = 21 (6 WarCode, 4 HorsebRid, 1 Mason, 1 Alpha,1 CerBur, 1 CodeoL, 3 BronzeW, 2 Pottery, 1 Myst, 1 Writ)
Gold = 20 (25g = 5, 50g = 14, 100g = 1)

IMO this test brings no evidence of a different sampling method being used by the programmers in case of reloading.

[rah]

Did you have a starting tech?

[La Fayette]

Starting tech = Pottery
(sorry I forgot to mention it)

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Don't think I've forgotten this test - I just didn't manage to get a lot accomplished after work last night (drinks after work with friends isn't conducive to effective testing ).

In the tests I've done so far - it seems oedo year or not doesn't matter - definitely having a city down does matter...

more to come!

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
(drinks after work with friends isn't conducive to effective testing ).

Remove the friends, and it's amazing how much testing you can get done!

[La Fayette]

Marquis
IMO if you put two of these together, you have a nice picture of the Gits designing new strategies on friday night.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

A quick update

I have tipped 850 huts - from 17 different situations, with variables in terrain, year, # of cities founded, distance from city... etc..

I'm going quietly insane No! I take that back - I'm going noisily into the land of the insane! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

OK, that feels better

There are many, many variables that come into play, so here are a few highlights:

I feel I have shown, for huts opened before 3000 BC (and perhaps later, but I haven't tested that):

1) That when no cities are founded, no tribes or nomads will emerge from huts, and units will appear in a 3:1:1 ratio with scrolls and cash.

2) That results will be the same (3:1:1 ratio units:scrolls:cash) if a hut is opened either within the squares of a city radius, or in a square adjacent to the city radius.

3) That there does not appear to be a different pattern of scroll discovery when researching alphabet, than when not researching anything.

4) That nomads do not seem to appear if a non-settler exists, but that there is no such restriction against tribes appearing when a non settler exists.

5) Tribes and non settlers seem mutually exclusive - if a situation will produce one, a reload will not produce the other. Certain terrain seems more conducive to tribes.

6) Something odd happens in certain Oedo years... but I don't know exactly what, yet. (This has consumed the bulk of my testing time)


Some of the above, a lot of you must know already. If I can come up with anything more interesting, I'll start a new thread.

STYOM

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Could I BE any MORE vague?

Forgot to mention - the tests involved creating a series of savegames and then tipping and reloading each savegame 50 times. 100 was determined to be too many, very early on.

[Scouse Gits]

Re: A quick update

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Something odd happens in certain Oedo years... but I don't know exactly what, yet. (This has consumed the bulk of my testing time)STYOM

Can you expand on this point? You must be in post hut test trauma ... a serious condition

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SG(2)

[La Fayette]

Good job, STYOM
(if you want to go on testing those strange oedo years, have about one bottle of red wine handy for 200 huts : I'm sure the Gits will give you a helping hand).