Calculating beakers needed for the next advance

[Starlifter]

t is not MY technique. In fact I don't know who discovered that,

Cool. Next time I edit the info thread over at CFC, I'll add the 0-science technique.... my one einstein method is needlessly mathmatical. I evolved the bulk of my own Civ2 playing in isolation, so I have some oddball techniques .

Yup, I've read about Samson's discoveries, and posted some of his quotes and source links to here at Apolyton for some people at CFC that were trying to learn about the Key Civ & science cost stuff. Samson & Oedo have really made some great discoveries on the fundamentals of the game!!

well, I'm sure you would enjoy reading the whole GL

I've read 6 or 7 things, and hope to eventually read it all .

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Starlifter

I evolved the bulk of my own Civ2 playing in isolation, so I have some oddball techniques .

I know what it is, since the same happened to me before discovering Apolyton in October 2000 .
You should have talked with smash: he is the one who has been posting on both forums (Poly and CFC) for quite a while (though quite a number of educated people have started doing that more recently: Ming, Sodaq, SlowThinker ... and certainly many others that I don't have in mind just now).

[debeest]

ST, I dl'd your civ2beakers.exe, but now I can't figure out how to use it. When I double-click to open the program, it just goes back and forth between my taskbar and my desktop without opening. What should I be doing?

I use Windows ME at home, NT at work. Maybe it's OS-dependent?

Determining the TOTAL number of beakers needed for the next tech is easy. Does your program calculate the REMAINING number of beakers needed?

Xin Yu, can you programmatically find the REMAINING number needed?

[JCP]

Originally posted by debeest
...your civ2beakers.exe... I use Windows ME at home, NT at work...

No such a program under MacOS ?

[SlowThinker]

debeest,
I use Win98 only, the program is compilated with Delphi5 under Win98. I have no clue...Does anybody other have any similar problems?

The number of beakers cumulated is stored in a savefile/memory. My program shows it, I can add a field where a user would input the total number needed, then the program could count the number of the remaining beakers.

I didnt insert the field that inputs the total number needed since I didn't know I can use the method with 0% science also under monarchy: I wasn't able to realize I can go below 30% with science

JCP,
I can post you the source code, if you have Delphi...

[Smash]

What about the science penalty/bonus?

We all have experienced changes in research cost.How will this be accounted for by a utility?

[SlowThinker]

Smash, I can find out the number of tech programmatically, but I dont know the exact algorithm how to count the science penalty/bonus and then the total number of beakers needed. Therefore all that I can do is to add a field where you can add the total beakers needed manually.

[Smash]

oh well,wishful thinking.If you could do that,you'd really have something.

[SlowThinker]

What would I have? Is it some english idiom that I don't know?

[Bloody Monk]

Re: If you could do that, you'd really have something.

The key is the word 'that'. The implication is that 'that' is virtually unobtainable. Thus, if you had (something imposible), you'd really have something.

HTH

[debeest]

ST, I reiterate my question: what should I do in order to make the program work? Double-click on it? Under what conditions? Apparently I need a manual....

[SlowThinker]

Bloody, thx

debeest, you don't get the form when you open the Civ2beakers.exe? If yes then click the Load button.

[Smash]

I just know that over the years I could have saved myself oodles of turns if I had known exactly when a research penalty was to be imposed.This remains one of the most annoying things for micro managing tax.science and luxury rates.

[Xin Yu]

debeest, I have tried to find the total beakers but failed. The number only showed up when cheat menu was activated to change research progress. Guess it was a calculated field which value could not be found directly.

[debeest]

ST, no, I don't get anything when I try to open Civ2beakers.exe. It appears on my taskbar, but nothing on screen. If I click on its taskbar icon, then visually the icon seems to fly to the upper left corner of my screen, but nothing appears on screen, and the icon still appears on the taskbar; if I click the taskbar icon again, it seems to fly back down to it, but nothing changes. ??? Is there any other way to open it than by double-clicking on it?

Xin Yu, I must say I'm surprised that you haven't found a field that contains either the number of beakers accumulated or the number still needed. I'm not a programmer, but wouldn't it usually be easier to store a number than to recalculate it every time?