global warming

[TCO]

Oh...getting back on topic, I NEVER clean up pollution or worry about it. (unless I have a spare engineer goofing off. And usually I don't since there is lots better stuff for them to be doing. First and foremost, laying track to my enemy' citys. Second, builiding new cities.)

I figure pollution hits the AI worse than me. And I'm not a wimpy builder. I don't care if an individual city experiences hardship. It's a game of empire. If an individual city takes it in the shorts, too bad.

[TCO]

Re: another OT derailment

Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq

I fully agree. However,

As a climatologist (at least I have a piece of paper claiming that ), I have to argue with you a bit. You are correct that sensationalized reports in the media are exagerations giving attention to 'worst case' scenarios. BUT, the data show that global warming is real, and at a minimum is exacerbated by mankind. It's impossible to fairly argue that people are the sole or even primary cause, but equally unrealistic to deny that human activity influences it strongly. Whatever the politically correct stance, the world is warming up - what is unknown is how long it will continue, how great the changes will be, and what the effects will ultimately be - and, of course, if it would be happening even without people fouling everything up. Because there is so much guesswork about the outcome, worst case scenarios pop up more than they should.

Which is a very long-winded way of saying that GW (popular use of the term) has not been proved one way or the other.


However, the grant money is definitely out there for people who spin/tell the story the right way...

[TCO]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits

"Trashing Americans" -- oh I don't think so, I have found that you quaint colonials are so much better at that than we could ever be...

SG[1]

Well, we do have some 5th Columnists runnign around...

[TCO]

Originally posted by bellisaurius
Wow,

I didn't think that this would be such a hot button topic, or that a climatoligist would be in it ( I'm a chemical engineer, BTW). I'm happy to see mainstream (I'm assuming, but it seems reasonable) thought on the topic seems moderated in its conclusions. Except for a rare paper which doesn't seem tilted, I only get stuff from trade magazines (ACS, AIChE, AWWA, etc..) and Discover and its ilk.

I wish I saw more stuff like that. I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time debating questions of GW's severity which always seem to come off as sounding like a denial of existing data, which I wouldn't do. Although I will say this, mankind is quite resiliant. I wouldn't go around screwing with things just to do it, but the inevitable has little scare for me as well. Neither best nor worst case scenarios ever seem to pan out.

Hey do you get C and E News. I really hate how PC and liberal they are in environmental coverage...good magazine otherwise. Good business coverages actually...

[Campo]

Well it was a civil discussion for a while. Seems to have passed that point now though.

One of the things I like best about Apolyton is the generally pleasant tone of the discussions. I don't think this is the place for invective or insult, so I'm bowing out of this thread before I say something offensive.

[TCO]

Oh, come on...

[Scouse Gits]

In this GP and we are in agreement

The Gits - climbing into the first bottle

[TCO]

I must be psychic. I smelled some blood and spam in the normally staid Civ2 Strat forum.

GP flexes his mighty shark tail...goes scurrying off to the RON forum...

[Scouse Gits]

Originally posted by GP
I must be psychic. I smelled some blood and spam in the normally staid Civ2 Strat forum.

GP flexes his mighty shark tail...goes scurrying off to the RON forum...

We bow to your superior sixth sense - see - even colonials can get things right sometimes

Now in the second bottle

[La Fayette]

What is the RON forum?

(I agree that this GW discussion was somewhat more heated than the average on this forum, but:
1) This shows that the forum is alive, and I like it;
2) I don't remember having read insults, and that is fine;
3) The level of detail and background was impressive on both sides IMO, and there was some kind of link to the topic 'GW in civ2', so why not?)

[Scouse Gits]

* Concurrence *

the SGs blotto

[Bloody Monk]

RE: Straybow Is the Don of Skeptics

While I usually come to the Strat Forum to learn about actually playing the game I have relished this 'discussion'. Tough minded, cogent arguement is a thing of beauty. Thanks, Stray....

For what it's worth, this old monk recalls that at the time the "evil, mentally challenged, oil loving, earth-raper Bush" finished off the Kyoto Scam that it had been rejected previously by our Senate and ratified by only one country in the whole wide world, Bulgaria I think. Not the EU or anywhere was this turkey embraced, offically. Just because something is named a miracle cure doesn't mean it can actually deliver, that it's not snakeoil. May it rest in peace. And may all people of good will everywhere learn to be a little bit skeptical of the fellow who says. "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you"

Bloody Monk wondering why some folks resort to name calling when the facts are inconvenient.

[debeest]

Originally posted by GP


ooooh, you're so much better, debeest. Good to know that you can suck up to somebody trashing Americans. **** em. Napalm their babies. We showed them in 1776 and 1812 what we think of em.

Um ... you forgot to put smiley faces with this, GP.

[TCO]

goes over better that way. smilies are for wimpy builders...

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by debeest

Um ... you forgot to put smiley faces with this, GP.

I took it for granted that the smiley faces were there.
Now, GP, if you say you mean what you wrote without smiley faces...I say