OCC Fortnight 3rd Edition - Results and Logs

[Steve Clark]

Luck? Sure, unless the game is reloaded after a bad hut...? I like the idea of removing huts for a better comparison. What I am saying, I don't even know how to play OCC. Sorry to intrude

[Tom DeMille]

To answer the river silk question. I did a little comparison during my game when I was trying to decide whether to convert the wheat over or not. I switched to 100% science, and then removed the worker from the already existing silk (in the top right corner). Something like 30 science lost. I then turned two scientists to two entertainers. Something like 40 science was lost. I therefore concluded that the extra food from the wheat contributed more science than the silk would. Why didn't I then immediately convert the top right silk to wheat? I didn't think of it.

I didn't think to convert the wheat over nearer the end of the game either. I had a 1 food deficit already, but I could have handled a larger deficit when I was making my run for space flight. Live and learn.

[Aurelius]

Hey Tom,

Thanks for that engineering. I guess with double irrigated wheat, there is no question that the food is better than the trade concerning Wheat vs Silk. I just did some similar tests and understand your take. Maybe Wine is better than wheat... if you speedsters have the time !

Early on, when population is limited by aqueduct, the silk is probably superior to the wheat...though quickly growing from size 1 to 2 is probably crucial in this one settler competition. The race to Monarchy and Trade might override food or city size--I've been assuming such.

AU--Hoss, so you're another Risk fan! Ever play World dominating Diplomacy? And what kind of railroad tycoon--not Railbaron.... See you in the posse!

[Huey]

Okay, finally got to it this weekend. It went real well until Space Flight, I was even 40 years earlier than Paul! And it was then that I found out I made a fatal mistake Because I build a factory etc too late I didn't have enough freights and shields. Not to mention gold So I missed a lot of turns after Space Flight.
On the upside, I was allied with everyone until the end

Well, since it seems the latest trend here, first the highlights:

3650 BC Empress Snow White founds 7 Dwarfs
2650 BC Gvt changed to Monarchy
1950 BC Colossus, Construction as trib from Mongols
1750 BC Trade
1350 BC First route, Hides to Trondheim
1050 BC Gvt changed to Republic
1000 BC WLTCD, size 4, 2nd route, Beads to Washington
950 BC 3rd route, Coal to Washington
850 BC End WLTCD, size 10
475 BC Cop's Observatory, Sanitation, WLTCD, size 10
400 BC End WLTCD, size 12
250 BC Gvt changed to Democracy
200 BC Shakes' Theatre
300 AD INC
440 AD Refrigeration
580 AD WLTPD, size 11
760 AD Darwins' Trip
800 AD Automobile
880 AD End WLTPD, size 24
1120 AD Computers
1380 AD Space Flight
1420 AD Apollo (one of many lost turns )
1750 AD Launch
1765 AD Arrival at AC! (edit: turn 215 if I'm not mistaken)

Still can't believe I made so many mistakes in the end, this was my chance to beat Paul...

[This message has been edited by Huey (edited February 27, 2000).]

[Paul]

Table updated with Huey's game.
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited May 06, 2000).]

[vik]

Folks, I have prepared a map/scenario for the OCC Fortnight Competition #4.

Reading the top of page two of this thread, I believe this map will offer you what you are looking for.

This map has no huts, and I've engineered it so that contact with the other Civs will be sped up. There are a handful of decent starting sites not far away from your settlers.

If you would like to use it, let me know whom to give it to and how to give it.

[Paul]

Hi vik, you can mail the game to me. I will then make it available for download from my website.

[Scouse Gits]

Hi vik, I thought you would be playing this time round - come on in - the more people playing the less chance I have of coming last - again

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"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[crowatbitemedotcom]

SG - no worry there, I'll be behind you no doubt. I thought I would have this game done last weekend but I was busy and only finished last night. I don't have any highlights prepared (sorry) but I did get a NON settler. The AI didn't encroach on my territory fro most of the game but unfortunately I had two huge barb uprisings on my west coast and they destroyed my mine on the coal and irrigation on the wheat several times. This messed up my structurals production as it took me below 80 shields. I finally got to AC on the eve of the 20th century, 1899. I know this has been asked before, but who else is using MGE?

Okay the highlights:

Monarchy 1650 BC
Republic 225 BC
Democracy 1020 AD

Size 8 150 BC
Size 12 50 BC
Size 17 600 AD (out of food)
Size 22 1774 AD

Colossus 1550 BC
Copes 180 AD
Shakes 360 AD
Isaac's 880 AD
Darwin 1600 AD
Apollo 1844 AD

AC 1899

Here is the log:

Tech(hut City
or trade) Imporvement Misc Diplomacy
0 -4000 50 g hut
2 -3900 Found Athens Chariot hut
4 -3800 Archers hut
6 -3700 Chariot hut
7 -3650 Alpha
10 -3500 Map(h)
15 -3250 Settlers, start Colossus Meet Vikes, they ignore my feeble threats
16 -3200 100 g hut
19 -3050 CoL, Writing(h) Meet Mongols, they ignore my feeble threats
20 -3000 Meet Romans, they ignore my feeble threats
21 -2950 Curr(h)
34 -2300 Pottery(t) Meet Americans, get Pot for Map, 50g
37 -2150 Capture barb leader, 150 g
42 -1900 Meet Zulus, get 50g
46 -1700 Monarchy Start rev
47 -1650 Monarchy
48 -1600 Find band of wandering nomads!
49 -1550 Colossus (finally!)
54 -1300 Feudalism(h)
60 -1000 Trade Romans: Masonry for Trade, get 100g; get 50g from Zulu; Vikes Horseback for Writing, get 100g; get 50g from Mongols
61 -975 Library
68 -800 Build hides caravan
70 -750 Cons
74 -650 Hides to Trond, 68g
76 -600 Literacy
77 -575 Beads Caravan
79 -525 Temple
84 -400 Return Settler to city
86 -350 Myst Marketplace Beads to NY, 72g
88 -300 Colossieum
89 -275 Phil, Repub Revolution Coal to NY, 72g
91 -225 Aqueduct Repub
92 -200 WLTCD
94 -150 Size 8
96 -100 Math Silk caravan Mongol Iron for Math, give Repub, Phil, share maps
98 -50 End WLTCD, 12
99 -25 Start wonder
102 40 Astro Vikes, Wheel for Repub
105 100 Capture barb leader, 150g
107 140 Meet Aztecs, get Seafaring for Repub, they demand Phil
108 160 Silk caravan to Tenochtitlan, 164g
109 180 Medicine Copes, start Shakes
115 300 Engineering Ally with Americans against Aztecs for Banking and 250g
118 360 Shakes, sell colossieum
121 420 Sanitation Bank
124 480 Start WLTCD Capture barb leader, 150g
125 500 Sewer
127 540 Univ Harbor
129 580 Gold Caravan, start KRC
130 600 End WLTCD, 17 Vikes destroy Mongols
132 640 ToG Switch to INC
135 700 Pollution
136 720 Econ 2nd poll, only 7 triangles
139 780 Amer request war with Vikes, comply; give San, Univ, share maps, get 25g
141 820 Chem
142 840 Gold caravan to Philly, 336g
144 880 Invention Issac's
146 920 StockEx
148 960 Demo Revolution!
149 980 Univ
151 1020 Demo
152 1040 Food caravan
154 1080 Gunpowder Wine caravan
156 1120 Gold caravan
157 1140 Explosives Americans: Nav for Demo, they demand Inv, request gift, get 50g
158 1160 Food Caravan Pollution
160 1200 Metallurgy Food Caravan Americans demand Iron
161 1220 Americans: Phys for Gun, demand Warrior Code
162 1240 Food Caravan
163 1260 Mag Gold caravan to Boston,201g
164 1280 Silk caravan
166 1320 Elec Food caravan
168 1360 Engineers
169 1380 Refrig
170 1400 Supermarket Amer: Bridge for Econ, Poly for Demo, request gift get 25g
171 1420 Barb uprising on w edge of cont, 11 Elephant, 9 Archers
172 1440 SteamEngine Food caravan Wine to Boston, 160g
173 1460 Silk to Bost, 228g
174 1480 RR
175 1500 Wine caravan Barbs destroy some mines & irrigation
178 1530 Industr Gold caravan
179 1540 Factory
180 1550 Start Darwin
181 1560 Corp
183 1580 Give Amer RR, get 50g, gold caravan to Philly, 116g
184 1590 Electronics
185 1600 Steel, Refining Darwin Wine caravan to NY,117g
187 1620 Hydroplant
188 1630 Comb
189 1640 Silk Caravan
191 1660 Gold Caravan
192 1670 Auto
193 1680 Superhighways
194 1690 Start WLTPD(16) Silk caravan to Wash, 444g
195 1700 Mass Prod Wine caravan
197 1720 Food Caravan
199 1740 Consc Food Caravan Give Amer Cons & Elec, get 50g
200 1750 Gold Caravan to Philly, 326 g
201 1752 Food Caravan
202 1754 Chivalry
203 1756 Food Caravan
205 1760 Leadership Food Caravan
207 1764 Food Caravan
208 1766 Tactics
209 1768 Food Caravan Lots of pollution
211 1772 MassTransit
212 1774 Machine Tools End WLTPD(22)
213 1776 Sell Sewer
214 1778 Sell Aqueduct
215 1780 Miniaturization Food Caravan
216 1782 Vikes declare war
217 1784 Food Caravan
218 1786 Computers
219 1788 Food Caravan Give Romans Gunpowder, get peace
220 1790 Resaerch Lab Give Vikes Metallurgy, get peace
221 1792 Mobile Warfare
222 1794 Food Caravan
224 1798 Robotics Armor
227 1804 Flight Wine caravan to Rome, 217g
228 1806 ManuPlant
229 1808 Food Caravan
230 1810 Radio Food Caravan
231 1812 Food Caravan
232 1814 Food Caravan
233 1816 Food Caravan
234 1818 AdvFlt Wine Caravan
235 1820 Food Caravan
236 1822 Food Caravan
237 1824 Rocketry Food Caravan
238 1826 Start wonder
240 1830 SpaceFlt
243 1836 Plastics Prod at 65
246 1842 AtomicTheory Prod at 75
247 1844 Apollo
248 1846 Component
249 1848 NuclearFission Component
250 1850 Component
251 1851 Component Wine caravan to Tenochtitlan, 262g
252 1852 NuclearPower Component
253 1853 Component Prod at 70
255 1855 Laser Structural Prod at 80
256 1856 Structural
257 1857 Structural
258 1858 Superconductor Structural
259 1859 Structural Ally with Romans against Vikes for 450g
260 1860 SolarPanel
261 1861 Structural
262 1862 Fusion Structural Barb uprising, 25 riflemen, 20 artillery
263 1863 Structural
264 1864 Structural Barbs on 2 squares, destroy mine
266 1866 Stealth Structural
267 1867 Lots of barbs
268 1868 StealthFtr
269 1869 LifeSupport
270 1870 CombinedArms
271 1871 Structural
272 1872 Pollution problems and barbs
274 1874 Recycling StealthBomber
276 1876 Structural
278 1878 Structural
279 1879 Sell ResearchLab
280 1880 Environmentalism Structural
283 1883 Vikes show up, I ask for peace they refuse
284 1884 Habitation LAUNCH! Arrival 1899
286 1886 RecyclingCenter
288 1888 Airport Gonna bomb the Vikes back to the stone age
291 1891 AmphWar StealthBomber
293 1893 StealthBomber
295 1895 StealthBomber
296 1896 Destroy 2 small Vike cities
299 1899 Arrival


Okay let me see how this looks. I had the wonders & important events bolded, I don't think they showed up.


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Will everyone stop bloody quoting everyone else in their signature damnit. - Graag


[This message has been edited by crowatbitemedotcom (edited March 02, 2000).]

[Scouse Gits]

Glad you made it, Crow - Sorry about the barbs - they never came at my west coast (as far as I can remember) just from the North & East, but I did have many angry visits by Romans & Mongols

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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Sten - sounds tough. It's really funny to see how the AIs develop in different games. In mine there was no real dominant power, the Aztecs Americans and Vikings were all about equal in size and power. The Mongols were surprisingly weak, sandwiched between Romans and Vikes and the Aztecs occasionally harassed them too. The Zulus had one city and the Romans 4 (but 2 were tiny <4). The Americans & Aztecs shared 4 of the top 5 city spots. The AIs really didn't give me any trouble at all, and they only got up to RR and Metallurgy because I gave them away.

I joined quite a few wars for gold. I don't usually do this but I was isolated enough that being in a war with the Romans didn't mean much except that they hated me more than usual .

Why did you give up the 1000g instead of just wasting the spy?

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Will everyone stop bloody quoting everyone else in their signature damnit. - Graag

[Sten Sture]

I didn't waste the spy because the freaking bully Zulu battleship(s) had killed all of my military units. I tried to run her over with a camel but she dove out of the way!

The other thing I did that was interesting, but stupid, was I landed a horse next to a vik settler very early which was also next to Trondheim. They requested to trade for Bronze and I thought, hey! they might just be defended with a warrior. So I traded with them and then crushed them. They never reappeared and that let the Romans expand too much. The hit to my rep probably didn't help me get alliances.

IIRC when I made the first map I got killed off in 1000bc, now I squeek into AC in 1980... I think I'll let others do the maps from now on.
[This message has been edited by Sten Sture (edited March 02, 2000).]

[Aurelius]

Oh Sten,
The sun is shining today. You'll make another map for us. Maybe without a useless port :|

I don't know how you folks are making all these funny faces.

So the next competition begins!

[Sten Sture]

what sun??? not over here in Jerry Brown land. rain, rain, rain.

That useless port thing made me mad, that was certainly not my plan. I also thought that with the turn in it the AI would have difficulty getting ships in there - not so! Others have made comments about the open tech path... I am not sure what that is refering to, I didn't change anything about the techs...

Aurelius - you can check out how someone wrote something by acting like you are going to edit their post... it will show you what they really typed, you just can't change it.

...later: okay there is the sun!!!
[This message has been edited by Sten Sture (edited March 02, 2000).]

[Aurelius]

I can actually see Oakland from my window. There are puffy, non-threatening clouds overhead. I don't have the Haight Street Camcorder working right now, but it looks nice enough given the weeks of rain we've endured.

Oh, I think the open tech path refers to being able to research any tech given the supporting prerequisite techs....ie you get CoL and CB and Alpha you will always have the choice of Monarchy in your next advance choices. Sometimes it doesn't happen that way.....but I'm just guessing.


Seeing Vet Battleship off the shore of One City:

Hindsight at killing off the Vikings:

UK Government Agents

Sten, thanks for the last scenario
Later