OCC Fortnight #9: Discussion, Logs etc...

[Paul]

Interesting map. It really needed that road at the south pole or else we would probably never have been able to gexplore around the whole world.

Tom, interesting choice to build a smaller ship to shave of some years. Too bad I didn't think of that. Now I "only" landed in 1565.

I saw that the map had mostly land and lots of river squares so I built a second Settler when I got Republic to give me some help with improving the land.

Here are my highlights and my log:

Monarchy: -2250
Republic: -725
Democracy: 60

Colossus: -2650
Copernicus' Observatory: -475
Shakespeare's Theatre: -250
Isaac Newton's College: 180
Darwin's Voyage: 600
Apollo Program: 1120

Trade: -1750
Construction: -2000
Sanitation: -375
Refrigeration: 420
Automobile: 620
Computers: 880
Space Flight: 1100

Trade routes: -800, -800, -475

Size 12: -500
Size 21: 40


4000 BC Hut: Currency
Karakorum
Russians: trade Horseback Riding; alliance
Greeks: alliance
Americans: trade Alphabet, Masonry, Writing; alliance
Vikings: trade Warrior Code; alliance
Babylonians: alliance
Spanish: alliance
3800 BC Warrior
3750 BC Hut: Barbarians
3600 BC Hut: Wheel
3550 BC Russians: gift 25 gold
3400 BC Americans: gift Iron Working
Hut: 50 gold
3250 BC Russians: gift 50 gold
3150 BC Hut: Chariot
3050 BC Hut: Chariot
3000 BC Russians: gift 50 gold
2950 BC Hut: Map Making
2900 BC All: share maps
2850 BC Hut: Horsemen
2800 BC Hut: 50 gold
2750 BC Americans: gift 50 gold
2700 BC Hut: Code of Laws
Hut: 50 gold
Disband Warrior
2650 BC Colossus
Hut: 25 gold
2550 BC All: share maps
2450 BC Babylonians: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
2400 BC Library
Monarchy, revolution
Babylonians: trade Mathematics
2350 BC Hut: Literacy
Hut: 25 gold
Hut: Barbarians
2250 BC Gov: Monarchy
Hut: Horsemen
2150 BC All: share maps
2100 BC Hut: 25 gold
Hut: Horsemen
2050 BC Marketplace
2000 BC Hut: 25 gold
Hut: Construction
1950 BC Temple
Hut: Horsemen
Hut: Legion
Hut: Bridge Building
Vikings: trade Feudalism; share maps
All: share maps
1900 BC Hut: Legion
1850 BC Hut: Mysticism
Hut: Chivalry
1800 BC Hut: Barbarians
Hut: Barbarians
1750 BC Russians: trade Trade
Babylonians: gift 50 gold
1700 BC Hut: Barbarians
Hut: Engineering
1650 BC Build Hides Caravan
1600 BC Hut: Legion
1550 BC Hut: Barbarians
Hut: 25 gold
1500 BC Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: trade Pottery
1450 BC Build Silk Caravan
Hut: Astronomy
1400 BC Hut: 25 gold
1350 BC Trireme
1300 BC Hut: Invention
1150 BC Build Coal Caravan
Hut: 100 gold
Hut: 25 gold
1100 BC Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 25 gold
Greeks: gift 50 gold
1050 BC Build Hides Caravan
Hut: 25 gold
Hut: 25 gold
975 BC Colosseum
Hut: Barbarians
Hut: Legion
950 BC All: share maps
825 BC Aqueduct
800 BC Republic, revolution
Hides to Washington: 53 gold (not demanded)
Silk to Washington: 159 gold (demanded)
775 BC Hut: Barbarians
725 BC Settler
Gov: Republic
Start WLTCD, size 4
675 BC Hut: 50 gold
Hut: 50 gold
Spanish: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 75 gold
Greeks: gift 25 gold
600 BC Greeks: gift 50 gold
575 BC Russians: gift 100 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
525 BC Hut: Barbarians
500 BC End WLTCD, size 12
Sell Colosseum
475 BC Copernicus' Observatory
Philosophy, Medicine
Coal to Washington: 124 gold (not demanded)
Hides to Washington: 124 gold (not demanded)
Sold Temple
425 BC Build Dye Caravan
375 BC Sanitation
Russians: gift 150 gold
Babylonians: gift 25 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: trade Seafaring
325 BC Vikings: gift 25 gold
300 BC Hut: Knight
Hut: Barbarians
275 BC Americans: gift 100 gold
Russians: gift 50 gold
Vikings: cancel alliance
250 BC Shakespeare's Theatre
University
225 BC Russians: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 25 gold
Greeks: gift 25 gold
Start WLTCD, size 12
200 BC Sewer System
Hut: Knight
125 BC Theory of Gravity
Russians: gift 50 gold
Babylonians: gift 25 gold
Americans: gift 25 gold
Greeks: gift 25 gold
100 BC University
75 BC Hut: Knight
25 BC Banking
40 AD Bank
Russians: gift 100 gold
Vikings: alliance; gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 250 gold
Greeks: gift 50 gold
End WLTCD, size 21
60 AD Democracy, revolution
Gov: Democracy
100 AD Chemistry
Americans: trade Gunpowder
Russians: gift 100 gold
140 AD Explosives
Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Greeks: gift 100 gold
160 AD Russians: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 250 gold
Hut: Knight
180 AD Isaac Newton's College
Economics
Hut: 25 gold
200 AD Russians: gift 100 gold
220 AD Stock Exchange
Navigation
260 AD Build Gold Caravan
Physics
Vikings: gift 50 gold
280 AD Russians: gift 100 gold
300 AD Harbor
Magnetism
All: share maps
340 AD Metallurgy
380 AD Engineer
Electricity
Russians: gift 100 gold
Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 100 gold
420 AD Refrigeration
Americans: trade Steam Engine; gift 250 gold
440 AD Engineer
Disband Settler
Disband Trireme
460 AD Engineer
Railroad
Start WLTPD, size 18
Dye to Babylon: 261 gold (not demanded)
480 AD Russians: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 200 gold
Greeks: gift 50 gold
500 AD Supermarket
Industrialization
520 AD Americans: gift 50 gold
Greeks: gift 25 gold
540 AD Corporation
Hut: 50 gold
580 AD Steel
600 AD Darwin's Voyage: Refining, Combustion
620 AD Automobile
Russians: gift 100 gold
Babylonians: gift Conscription
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
640 AD Superhighways
660 AD Electronics
680 AD Factory
700 AD Leadership
End WLTPD, size 29
720 AD Build Oil Freight
Tactics
740 AD Machine Tools
Russians: gift 150 gold
760 AD Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 200 gold
Greeks: gift 25 gold
780 AD Miniaturization
820 AD Mass Production
840 AD Sell Sewer System
Russians: gift 50 gold
Babylonians: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 150 gold
Greeks: gift 75 gold
860 AD Americans develop Flight
880 AD Computers
Sold Aqueduct
900 AD Research Lab
Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 150 gold
Greeks: gift 350 gold
920 AD Mobile Warfare
940 AD Offshore Platform
960 AD Robotics
Americans: trade Flight; gift 50 gold
980 AD Power Plant
Babylonians: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 100 gold
1000 AD Radio
Oil Freight to Athens: 253 gold (not demanded)
1020 AD Manufacturing Plant
Advanced Flight
1040 AD Russians: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 150 gold
1060 AD Rocketry
1100 AD Space Flight
Gold to Ellipi: 856 gold (demanded)
1120 AD Apollo Program
1140 AD Plastics
1180 AD Atomic Theory
1220 AD Nuclear Fission
1260 AD Nuclear Power
1300 AD Laser
1320 AD Hut: 100 gold
1340 AD Superconductor
1380 AD Fusion Power
1420 AD 15 Structurals
Recycling
1460 AD Environmentalism
1500 AD Communism
1520 AD Guerilla Warfare
6 Components
1540 AD Labor Union
1550 AD Launch
1551 AD Solar Plant
Stealth
1552 AD Mass Transit
1553 AD City Walls
Espionage
1554 AD SAM
1555 AD Combined Arms
1556 AD SDI
1557 AD Coastal Fortress
Genetic Engineering
1558 AD Barracks
1560 AD Amphibious Warfare
1562 AD Polytheism
1564 AD Monotheism
1565 AD Arrival at Alpha Centauri

[vik]

Well, if I could use only one word to describe this scenario, I would choose “exhausting.” In this scenario, there were plenty of opportunities to slip up and lose a turn here or there due to not paying attention. I was glad I was able to maintain a 2-turn discovery rate from about the time I built INC in the BC years up until the time I no longer wanted to research anything. But I still could have improved. I missed out a turn here or a turn there on incremental rush-buying. I seemed to have a little more need for money than others so far, but I probably could have milked the AI for more cash. I don’t think I got to as many huts as others, either, because I was just slow, and I didn’t explore much with boats. Many of the first Hut-units I got came late and were slow units, so it took me some time. I also got screwed by finding Philosophy in a hut because apparently you get no bonus tech with it. I also shaved off about 4 turns near the end by not researching mobile warfare and robotics. I figured I could get by without a manufacturing plant, but it almost cost me. I toyed around with building Leo’s just to get that NONE engineer, but I decided against it.

Log highlights (Deity, v2.4.2):

Colossus: 2350bc
Copernicus: 700bc
Shakespeare’s: 450bc
Isaac Newton’s: 125bc
Darwin’s: 600ad
Apollo: 1120ad

Monarchy: 2650bc
Republic: 925bc
Democracy: 25bc

1st Trade: 700bc
2nd Trade: 500bc
3rd Trade: 200bc

Size 12: 750bc
Size 21: 225bc

Trade: 1750bc
Construction: 1550bc
Sanitation: 550bc
Refrigeration: 140ad
Automobile: 600ad
Computers: 780ad
Space Flight: 1100ad

Hut Data (51 total huts tipped):
Number of Huts with Knowledge: 15
Number of Huts with Barbarians: 9
Number of Huts with Gold: 16 (for 900 gold total)
Number of Huts with 4-legged units: 5
Number of Huts with 2-legged units: 6

Total # of barb leaders killed: 1 (for 150 gold)

4000bc- I take a deep breath, and move my trireme south. Oops, wrong scenario.
Lots of horses. I wonder if I should delay building my city while they explore a bit…
Hut- Chariot; Allied with all AI’s except the Greeks. Not even Greek peace. No gifts
Oh, well. Ulaan Baatar founded in 4000bc by War4never
Actually, I’ll call my city the Apocalypse, since I started with “Four Horsemen”
3950bc- building colossus, researching alphabet; settler moves to mine wheat
3750bc- discovered alphabet, researching code of laws. Hut-not tipping till later
3700bc- hmmm. A big road down south. I think I will follow it.
3350bc- code of laws discovered, researching monarchy
2800bc- monarchy discovered, REVOLT, researching writing
Greeks- gave all knowledge, alliance, no gift
Americans- gave all knowledge, given Masonry
Spanish- gave all knowledge, no gift
Vikings- gave all knowledge, got Warrior Code
Babylonians- gave all knowledge, no gift
Russians- gave all knowledge, got Horseback Riding
Hut-Hut-Hut: Fuedalism, 50gold, 50gold
2650bc- monarchy established; Hut-barbarians (kilt’em)
2600bc- Hut-barbarians (kilt’em)
2500bc- I am the most powerful civilization in the known world. Hut-Chariot
Trade Allies for writing, currency, and mathematics; get 150 gold in gifts
2450bc- researching trade
2400bc- kilt a barb leader
2350bc- colossus built, building library
2250bc- hut-barbarians (they ran away)
2200bc- library built, building marketplace
2100bc- Hut-The Wheel; dump all knowledge on Allies; 50 gold from Americans
2050bc- Hut-100gold
2000bc- marketplace built, building temple
1950bc- Hut-knights; Hut-Iron Working
1850bc- Temple built, building diplomat
1800bc- Hut-50gold
1750bc- Trade discovered, researching literacy; switched from diplo to caravan
1600bc- caravan built, building another; Hut-100gold
1550bc- Hut-construction
1500bc- caravan built, building another
1400bc- Hut, barbs (they run away)
1300bc- Hut, Legion; Hut-Legion
1250bc- Hut, 100gold
1200bc- Babylonians: get map-making, dump knowledge, trade maps, 150 gold
Russians: get Mysticism; dump knowledge, trade maps, 100 gold
Vikings: get Chivalry, dump knowledge, trade maps, 100 gold
Spanish: get Polytheism, dump knowledge, trade maps, 50 gold
Americans: dump knowledge, share maps, 25 gold
Greeks: dump knowledge, share maps, 25 gold
It seems I am playing on a world that is shaped like a pencil
1150bc- third caravan built, building colosseum; Hut-25 gold; Hut-Knights
Hut-Astronomy; I’m tempted to build caravans now…
1100bc- Hut-bridge building
1000bc- Colosseum built, building aqueduct
975bc- Hut, literacy (thank goodness); Hut-philosophy
950bc- Hmmmm, I was the first to philosophy, but no bonus tech. That sucks.
Hut, 25 gold
925bc- discovered Republic, REVOLT, republic established, researching university
Wow! Hut-Medicine; Get pottery and 300 gold from my allies
900bc- Started Weluv; 2 Huts, 50 gold each
825bc- Aqueduct built, building caravans
775bc- Hut, Seafaring
750bc- WeLuv halted at population 12; Hut-University; 350 gold in allied gifts
725bc- researching engineering; Hut-Chemistry; buying copernicus
700bc- Copernicus’ Observatory; gonna squeeze in the university before Shake’s
Hides to Athens (undemanded) 294 gold
675bc- Engineering discovered, researching Sanitation; university built, building caravans
650bc- Dumped knowledge, traded maps with all, got a total of 50 gold
600bc- Hut-Monotheism (yuck!)
575bc- Hut-Legion (I wish I could get some 4-legged units)
550bc- Discovered sanitation, researching theory of gravity
500bc- Silk caravan to Athens (nondemanded) 298 gold
475bc- Hut, 50gold; 200 gold from allies
450bc- Shakespeare’s built, buying sewer system; theory of grav disc; researching banking
cranking up weLuv
425bc- Temple sold (colosseum sold on prior turn); sewers built, building caravans
Hut-barbarians (at least, it said barbarians, but I see none)
Another Hut, more barbarians (this time they’re there - 3 horseman surrounding my legion)
400bc- Hut, navigation
300bc- discovered banking, researching physics; dumped all knowledge; 150 gold total in gifts
275bc- acquired Physics from russians
250bc- researching magnetism
225bc- halted WeLuv at pop21
200bc- discover magnetism, research economics; hut-crusaders; Hides-Washington (non-demand) 175gold
150bc- hut, crusaders; gifts total 300 gold; completed INC
125bc- Isaac Newton’s College built; economics discovered; researching invention; building bank
hut-crusaders
100bc- Hut-50 gold
75bc- bank built, building stock exch; invention discovered, researching democracy; hut-legion
gifts total 225 gold
25bc- democracy discovered; REVOLT; democracy established; researching gunpowder
1ad- stock exch built, buildling harbor
20ad- gunpowder, researching metallurgy
40ad- harbor built, building diplomat
60ad- metallurgy discovered, researching electricity; hut-50gold; traded maps with everyone
80ad- diplomat built, building galleon
100ad- electricity discovered (before anyone builds the Great Library), researching refrigeration
Give AI all knowledge except invention (ha ha ha)
120ad- galleon built, took the dip to explore; building caravans
140ad- refrigeration discovered, researching explosives; hut-barbs (kilt’em); 375 gold from allies
160ad- I am the 4th largest civilization on the planet.
180ad- discovered explosives; researching conscription
220ad- discovered conscription, researching leadership; hut-riflemen
260ad- discovered leadership, researching tactics; hut-50 gold; get 225 gold from allies
280ad- hut-50gold
300ad- tactics discovered, researching atomic theory
340ad- atomic theory discovered, researching steam engine
360ad- hut-50gold
380ad- discovered steam engine, researching railroad; hut-barbs (die on my rifleman)
420ad- discovered railroad, researching industrialization; engineers built
460ad- discovered industrialization, researching steel; hut-mouseketeers
500ad- discovered steel; researching corporation; engineers built; 325 gold in gifts
520ad- hut-barbarians (kilt’em)
540ad- discovered corporation, researching refining
580ad- discovered refining, researching combustion; 350 in gold from gifts
600ad- Darwin’s built; discovered combustion & automobile, researching electronics
620ad- Superhighways built, electronics discovered, researching machine tools; building freights
660ad- machine tools discovered, researching miniaturization
700ad- miniaturization discovered, researching mass production
720ad- offshore platform built; building freights
740ad- mass production; computers; 550 gold in gifts; cranking up we-luv one last time
780ad- discover computers; researching nuclear fission
800ad- research lab built; building supermarket; 150 gold in gifts
820ad- nuclear fission discovered; researching nuclear power; supermarket built; building factory
840ad- factory built; building hydro plant
860ad- nuclear power discovered; researching the laser; switched to nuclear plant (I’ve never built one yet)
250gold in gifts
880ad- nuclear plant built; building freights
900ad- laser discovered; researching flight; I have so many units to disband, I may not need a manu plant
920ad- I don’t know how you guys get 1600 beakers. I have 936 with 7 scientists & 3ea(+24) trade routes
940ad- discovered flight; researching radio. Oh. I was at 50% science…my bad; 300 gold in gifts
980ad- discovered radio; researching advanced flight
1020ad- discovered advanced flight; researching rocketry; 350gold in gifts
1060ad- discovered rocketry; researching space flight
1100ad- discovered space flight; researching plastics; pop max at 32; sold sewer system
1120ad- Apollo Program completed. Aqueduct sold; quite a few huts remain, but I don’t have time
1140ad- plastics discovered; researching superconductor; first SS built
1180ad- superconductor discovered; researching fusion power
1220ad- fusion power discovered; researching whatever-I ain’t getting it anyways; sold research lab
1240ad- sold university
1260ad- sold library; finished 3 modules: 1 freight, buy hanging gardens, 1 freight, and city completes it
1300ad- finally up to 80 shields without manu plant; whale, wine, 2 silk, 2 hills, 4 forests (10 hunger)
1340ad- getting low on food; glad I bought some NONE engineers earlier with my diplo: 500 gold each
1400ad- starting lose population; oh well, less taxes I guess, but I already have over 5000 gold
1480ad- 15 structurals built with 3 modules; I remember a thread about building less engine and getting there faster during this time period. I’m going to go look that up
1500ad- my population stopped dying at size 27
1510ad- hmmm. Decision time. A 15/1-1/1-1-1 ship would get there in 36 years with a 79% success rating. That would be 1546ad. If I build 2 more components, it would take 20 years, but I’m not sure how fast it will go (I couldn’t find that information). Certainly not less than 16 years, though, so if I don’t launch now, I will get a slower AC date. Hmm.
1520ad- SS Component built. Well, since this is my best score so far, I ain’t going to potentially waste it on a 79% chance. I’m just not going to accept that risk.
1530ad- Launch a 15/2-2/1-1-1 Spaceship. ETA is 1551. 94% chance of success, which is acceptable, I guess; I’ll just keep building alpine troops for awhile
1533ad- that’s strange. Apparently, when you launch a ship, the turn sequence defaults to 1-year increments. Never launched this early, so it’s news to me. Gonna be a boring 18 turns
1534ad- idiot AI. Babylonians want superconductor. I tell them to go stuff it. They give me 100 gold.
1550ad- I am the wealthiest nation. I have 15,410 gold
1551ad- I really shot to the top of the powergraph with those 20 alpine troops.
War4Never the Cruel arrives at AC (34% Civ Rating).

[Paul]

Comparison table now available. Very interesting that we had three players all getting Space Flight in 1100 AD.

[Smash]

wow!It wasn't that long ago the question of whether or not you could win with a half dozen cities,let alone one,was being asked.
Now we have 1500s OCC landings on large maps.Mind you,the hardest part(finding a spot) is removed but still.I wonder how low it can go.

[Paul]

That would probably depend on what kind of setup you use. If you put players at a great city site and give them some units to explore you will of course get better results than when you start with just two settlers and have to build your exploring units or find them in huts.

[SilverDragon]

I think that minimal spaceships should be used more often in OCC. It takes a long time for one city to build those extra components and structurals.

[Oldman]

Great!!!!!! When i finally manage to get a 1700 landing time and i'm feeling all smug, you guys go and beat me and land in 1500?!?!?!

I should have thought of building a smaller ship, it might have saved me 20/30 years!!! Anyway, here's my log!! A bit unusual that i didn't get monarchy, but i got republic from a hut first!!

Sorry about the missing log upto 3000bc, i'll stick to using notepad and not wordpad in future!!!!

v2.42 Deity

AC 1745ad

Monarchy not established
Republic 3050bc
Democracy 60ad

1st Trade 700bc
2nd Trade 475bc
3rd Trade 150bc

Colossus 220bc
Observatory 325bc
Theatre 100bc
College 280ad
Darwins 860ad
Apollo 1440ad

Trade 2200bc
Construction 1450bc
Sanitation 200bc
Refridge not researched
Auto 860ad
Comp 1140ad
SF 1420ad

Pop 12 750bc
Pop 20 160ad
(Max)Pop 27 320ad


4000bc Founded Karakorum

Wordpad crashed in 3050bc, this bit is vague - sorry!!!

Built militia

Huts: horseman, 50 gold, 2 Barbarians, techs: Alphabet, code of Laws, Mystisism, Maths and Republic

Revolution in 3100bc (ish)

3050bc Republic
3000bc 50 from hut
3950bc 50 from hut
2650bc iron working from hut
2550bc 50 from hut
2450bc monarchy from hut
2400bc gave away techs to all, got 50 from babylonians and vikings
2350bc 50 from hut
2250bc 50 from hut
150 for barb leader
2200bc Colossus
Philosophy, Currency (free)
Trade (hut)
2100bc temple
WLTCD (3)
1900bc WLTCD ends (7)
1800bc shared techs, 50 from russians and vikings, wheel from americans Greek alliance dissolved?!!?
1600bc caravan (silk)
1450bc construction
1300bc caravan (coal)
1000bc exchanged all techs
925bc colleseum
900bc 100 gifts from babylon and 50 from vikings
875bc elephant (hut)
850bc aquaduct
wltcd (8)
800bc 50 from vikings
775bc caravan (dye)
750bc Pop 12!!!!
725bc wltcd cancelled (12)
700bc 1st Trade, silk to athens unwanted 262 revenue!
675bc 50 from hut
650bc medicine from hut
600bc chemistry from hut
550bc 50 from russians
525bc monothesiesm from hut
500bc theology from hut
gave theo away, 150 gift from americans
475bc 2nd Trade!! coal unwanted to athens 262 revenue
450bc knights and 50 from huts
425bc knights from hut
375bc chivalry from hut
50 from vikings
325bc Observatory!!!
economics from hut
275bc engineering from hut
200bc sanitation
shared all techs, 50 from babylon
175bc invention from hut
150bc 3rd Trade, dye to athens demanded 248 revenue!
125bc 100 from hut
sold collesium
100bc Theatre!!!
WLTCD (12)
disbanded militia, rushed sewers
75bc sewer system!!
25bc University (city)
1ad Democracy!! revolution
50 from hut
20ad Bank
60ad Democracy!!!!!!!
160ad pottery
gave away all techs, 50 from viks and babs, 200 from americans!!!!
180ad size 21 wltcd still going!
260ad 100 from hut
280ad Newtons College!!!
320ad wltcd ends size 27!!!!
340ad stock exchange
navigation!
50 from hut
380ad physics
50 from hut
420ad magnetism
460ad steam engine
500ad railroad
gave all techs away, 200 from russians and 150 from babylon, vikings and americans
540ad industrialisation
580ad explosives
600ad factory
620ad corporation!
660ad metallurgy
700ad electricity
720ad wltcd (27)
760ad electronics
engineer
wltcd cancelled (27)
800ad steel
840ad refining
860ad Darwins!!
combustion
automobile
shared all techs,
300 from russians, 150 from babylon, 200 from vikings, 100 from americans
900ad mass production
superhighways!
940ad leadership
Argh, barbarians near my nice new roads?!?!
980ad conscription
aquaduct sold
1000ad sold sewersystem
1020ad tactics!!
1040ad oil trade with athens, 262 revenue
1060ad caravan (silk)
machine tools
1100ad miniaturisation
1140ad computers
1180ad mobile war
research lab!!
share all techs
300 from russians, 200from babylon, 250 from vikings, 200 from americans
1220ad robotics
1260ad flight!!!!
manufacturing plant!
1300ad radio
1340ad advflight
1380ad rockets
1420ad space flight
1440ad APOLLO!!!!
1460ad structural 1
Plastics
1500ad atomic theory
sold factory
1510ad sold manu plant
1530ad nnuclear fission
1550ad silk to St Petersburg, 1420 revenue!!!
1560ad nuke power!!
1590ad laser!
war on greeks for 200
1620ad superconductor
structural 15!!!
war on babylonians for greeks peace!!!
25 from russians?!?!
1650ad fussion power!!
sold research lab
1660ad sold uni
1670ad sold library
1680ad 6 components!!!
1710ad 200 from russians
disbanded my LAST unit (engineers) to help with ss module
sold superhighways
1720ad sold stock exchange
1730ad Launch!!! estimated landing 1745ad!!!
Ship: 15-3-3-1-1-1
1731ad guerilla uprising?!?!?!
1732ad riflemen
1734ad engineer
1736ad engineer
1739ad riflemen
1740ad tank
1742ad tank
1743ad sneak attack by greeks, both riflemen destroyed!!
1744ad engineer killed!
1745ad AC landing!!!!!!!
Good Old Ghengis the Cruel!!!, 264 points 34%

[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited May 22, 2000).]

[Tom DeMille]

A note on small spaceships. The only time it worthwhile to build one is if the years are still going by at 10 per turn. That means a pre 1750 launch, which is pretty unusual. It shaves 40 years off of construction time, but adds 21 years of travel time.

If the AI is anywhere near starting a spaceship of its own, then don't launch a small one. Those 36 years of travel time will give the AI a chance to beat you.

[Oldman]

Yeah, that's what i was thinking Tom!!! It's never been an issue before, but with this one having such an early landing, still in the 10years/turn stage, it would've made sense!!!

Do any of you guys know the time it takes for a 15-1-1-1-1-1 ship or 15-2-2-1-1-1 from launch to landing? just thought i'd ask cause i haven't got civ here to try it out for myself?!!?!?

Scouse, Haven't you played this one yet? I want to see if i've beaten your attempt this time?!!?

[vik]

oldman,

Coincidentally, the logs of Tom, Paul, and me sort of illustrate the difference in SS flight times in the 10-year turn increments.

We all built apollo in 1120ad. Tom built a 15/1-1/1-1-1 SS, launched in 1510ad, and landed 36 years later in 1546ad. He had a 79% chance of success with this ship.

I built a 15/2-2/1-1-1 SS, launched in 1530ad (2 extra turns at 10 years each to build those bigger engines), and landed 21 years later in 1551ad. I had a 94% chance of making it.

Paul built the standard OCC ship (15/3-3/1-1-1), and launched it 2 turns (20 years) after I did in 1550ad. That of course is a 15-year trip, allowing him to land at 1565ad with 100% probability of success.

[Tom DeMille]

The 15-1-1-1-1-1 spaceship takes 36 years. I believe that the 15-2-2-1-1-1 ship takes 21 years.

edit: Oops, Vik beat me to it!
[This message has been edited by Tom DeMille (edited May 22, 2000).]

[Oldman]

Cheers Guys!!!
i guess if i'd used my brain i would have thought to check your logs!?!? So does the probability of success make much difference? have any of you ever had a spaceship fail on you before?

[Tom DeMille]

I haven't, no, but I've only launched a small ship about 3 times (only once a 15-1-1-1-1-1 ship). I have no idea if it blows up at takeoff, or crashes when landing.

[vik]

I don't know what happens to a spaceship if it "fails" either.

My very first spaceship I ever launched in Civ2 (before I knew how to build one), had about a 18% chance of success. I don't remember the specs, but about 60 years after I launched it, it made it to AC.

[outerface]

I take it the idea is supposed to be the fastest time and not just going for score? Should I even bother to post my log, as I was researching Future Tech 16 when my spaceship landed in 1903. It also seems like you guys don't try for more than a few essential Wonders. I built a ton, including Great Wall after I already researched Metallurgy, just for the points and prestige. How directly do you go for Flight? I tend to leave it 'til about last so the Colossus functions as long as possible. Finally, how large do you normally grow your city? I found out the hard way that anything past 36 is useless. Thanks for the responses on that. it was a little late as I didn't see the posts 'til after I tried to starve the Elvi. Lost the first Engineer, promptly disbanded the others to start a rush-build Module.