2194 Days of War Gigamap #1

[jim panse]

Re: Re: Re: VICTORY ON ALL FRONTS!

Originally posted by conmcb25


German U-Boats are all POWERFUL!

Seriously how did this happen? I didn't think you could physically do that?

I dunno, I just moved my sub and - voilà - I shot down the bomber. Maybe a bug?!?!?

You guys should really admire my victories, not think about how a sub shot down your bomber. German subs had some 4x2mm AA Guns too ....... so: STop wondering

[FiGu]

Re: VICTORY ON ALL FRONTS!

- Only days after the loss of Grozny the Army Group Caucasus recauptured the "Door of the Caucasus" causing again huge losses to its Soviet defenders.
Now the road to Baku with its rich oil wells lies wide open for the Wehrmacht.

hmm i had only one red infantry defending the city..

[conmcb25]

Re: Re: Re: Re: VICTORY ON ALL FRONTS!

Originally posted by jim panse


I dunno, I just moved my sub and - voilà - I shot down the bomber. Maybe a bug?!?!?

You guys should really admire my victories, not think about how a sub shot down your bomber. German subs had some 4x2mm AA Guns too ....... so: STop wondering

jim relax Darius and I playtested this to death. I didn't think U-Boats could attack Aircraft. (the fighter flag wasn't supposed to be there.)

Anyway we need to talk to Pap and ask him.

[Darius871]

Re: Re: Re: Re: VICTORY ON ALL FRONTS!

Originally posted by jim panse

I dunno, I just moved my sub and - voilà - I shot down the bomber. Maybe a bug?!?!?

You guys should really admire my victories, not think about how a sub shot down your bomber. German subs had some 4x2mm AA Guns too ....... so: STop wondering

To quote Exile: Does ANYONE ever read the readme files?

Dude, offensive land and sea units are given the fighter flag in this scenario so that they can attack stacks of ground units which are covered by airplanes. This is because without the flags, such stacks are impossible to attack. Attacking single planes with non-fighter units is of course not allowed.

This was clearly described in the readme:

Why can all units attack air units?

We noticed through some of the testing that stacks of bombers and tanks, especially in the late war years, were impossible to destroy with regular fighter planes. Because the air unit was on the same square as the other ground units, only a unit that was flagged with the “can attack air” flag was allowed to attack. By giving every unit in the game the same flag to attack air units, it solved the problem of invincible stacks. Now the downfall of course is that air units can be shot down by regular ground units. I have made a house rule, that only fighters can attack air units that are not stacked with another unit. That way, when bombers attack deep into the Reich, or German bombers attack deep into Russia, they must be shot down with fighters.

Not to mention shouted in the civilopedia entries:

[Darius871]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: VICTORY ON ALL FRONTS!

Originally posted by conmcb25


jim relax Darius and I playtested this to death. I didn't think U-Boats could attack Aircraft. (the fighter flag wasn't supposed to be there.)

Um, yes it was supposed to be there. Otherwise air-protected ships would also be invincible; the same concept applies.

[conmcb25]

Got it thanks for reminding me Darius.

jim like myself probably wasn't paying enough attention!

[Darius871]

So the only question is: Jim, have you used ground, naval, or bomber units against planes in the air before? If it was just this one time or maybe just a few times, I guess we can play on and just consider this a warning, since you didn't know. Now that everybody knows about it, if anyone does this from now on it is technically cheating.

[jim panse]

Originally posted by Darius871
So the only question is: Jim, have you used ground, naval, or bomber units against planes in the air before? If it was just this one time or maybe just a few times, I guess we can play on and just consider this a warning, since you didn't know. Now that everybody knows about it, if anyone does this from now on it is technically cheating.

I only used fighters against planes in the air but I used bombers for bombing some cities and ground/naval units attacking cities too. I cannot imagine this could be cheating.

And for the thing with the sub - I didn´t know and I apologise fot doing it that way.
I wasn´t paying attention and moved my sub northwards. I never thought that my sub could shoot down an aircraft in flight.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by jim panse

I only used fighters against planes in the air but I used bombers for bombing some cities and ground/naval units attacking cities too. I cannot imagine this could be cheating.

Of course not, it's cheating only against individual air units.

Originally posted by jim panse

And for the thing with the sub - I didn´t know and I apologise fot doing it that way.
I wasn´t paying attention and moved my sub northwards. I never thought that my sub could shoot down an aircraft in flight.

It's fine, as long as it was just that once we can play one.

[yop73]

Now that everybody knows about it, if anyone does this from now on it is technically cheating

Darius, you should be careful with what you define as cheating. I'll illustrate it with this example.

Suppose someone accidentally shoots down an airplane with a submarine and he has also conducted a major offensive the same turn.

Off course, he didn't save before every unit he moved (he didn't reload) and he suffered heavy losses in the attack. His last save is just the turn he downloaded (as said, he didn't reload). What should he do?

If he posts the game, you would consider it cheating. But if he reloads, his results will be different and he has been reloading and that technically also cheating.

So an accident suddenly becomes cheating, no matter what. That's not correct I think.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by yop73

Darius, you should be careful with what you define as cheating.

Well first off I'm not just brazenly declaring this; Steve, Pap, sas, and I all agreed to adding the fighter flags back in creation, and to have a house rule. Intentionally breaking a house rule is cheating; I don't know how it could be called anything else.

Originally posted by yop73

If he posts the game, you would consider it cheating. But if he reloads, his results will be different and he has been reloading and that technically also cheating.

The problem with the example is that reloading isn't cheating. Apparently everyone here decided that's A-OK. So he can either reload the turn, or just post the file and say 'Btw (player), I accidentally shot down your plane with my sub, and didn't want to redo the turn. My bad, I'll be more careful from now on.' Problem solved.

And again, it's not just me considering intentional attacks cheating. The house rule is in the readme, and is a part of the scenario.

[jim panse]

2 things I want to say ....

(1)

I accidentally shot down your plane with my sub, and didn't want to redo the turn. My bad, I'll be more careful from now on.

(2) Could we please game on?

[Darius871]

Of course, but it's only been 17 hours.

[sas]

bump for Choke

[Darius871]

An illegal, immoral, and unethical BUMP!