Withdrawing from a League with no Honor

[rah]

Yes, it's a tough call. I would probably allow a little personal insults, (since they're just an extension of worthless chest thumping), but alas, Ming is probably correct. There has to be a line, and at least Ming's line is visible. Mine probably wouldn't be and would create confusion.

[DrSpike]

Either way it's consistency that's the key. Unfortunately I suspect even then opinions will differ on what constitutes a personal insult. I think the kraut comment is as bad as some of the personal insults that were condemned. I can see why people who know the rules would be confused as to why some posters seem to have more 'leg room' than others.

That is not to say I think Ming should be stricter.......I'm with Rah, I'd allow flaming within reason, but as Rah says that is very vague, and even harder to keep consistent. This is why all mods are clearly quite mad.

[Ming]

Yes... it's a fine line... and I do try to stay as consistent as possible, but I'm only human...

But this was an easy one... He even attacked Eyes sex life... not a tough call to make

[atawa]

Ming: One question though, you allow one player calling the other a stupid kraut, would you act in the same way if kraut was substituted by say ******?

[Ming]

Probably... But maybe I missed something... I thought the term used was "stupid Kruat ladder"... and not directed at an individual... but you are right, if it had been "stupid ****** ladder" I would have indeed acted.

So yeah... I might have to rethink that one... As I've said before, I do make mistakes... but I'm willing to admit that, and try to learn from them.

[Cobra]

thx

[Ming]

I guess my problem here was that I have a lot of German blood, and the comment didn't bother me in the least. I guess I should have put myself in the shoes of a real German

[atawa]

Originally posted by Ming
So yeah... I might have to rethink that one... As I've said before, I do make mistakes... but I'm willing to admit that, and try to learn from them.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Ming

So yeah... I might have to rethink that one... As I've said before, I do make mistakes... but I'm willing to admit that, and try to learn from them.

Your honesty does you credit.

I think part of the problem here is all the regulars have thick skins. If someone calls me a stupid pom in the Aussie thread I'm not going to give it a second thought. In fact we have all received and given out far worse insults.

I saw in the thread before though that there was some reaction by the German players to the kraut comments, and thought Ming would probably step in then and say "oi, keep it about the game or else".

[jes]

Originally posted by Ming
So yeah... I might have to rethink that one... As I've said before, I do make mistakes... but I'm willing to admit that, and try to learn from them.

im not "redegewandt" in english to say what i mean, but i think spike hit the point and said, what i would have wanted to say, if i could express it..

[Ming]

Yes... the regular bunch is very thick skinned... We know most of the people, and know what to expect from them.
Most of it is not meant in a serious way. I usually get a pm a week from people who just surf our forum thinking we are all crazy and should be restricted. But they really don't have a clue since they aren't members of this old and established community.

We are all just trying to have fun... And I try to be responsive when I get complaints about something when they do come from long standing members of this bunch...

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Ming
I usually get a pm a week from people who just surf our forum thinking we are all crazy and should be restricted.

The most uncivilized forum is the one where the mod is most prominent.

[Cobra]

If I´m insulted by someone, I keep cool. However, it is nerve-killing, to be designated constantly as “stupid kraut“. The comparison with „******“ is good.

[Ming]

They just don't understand that MP games are competitive... and it brings out the "best" in people

[Ming]

Originally posted by Cobra
If I´m insulted by someone, I keep cool. However, it is nerve-killing, to be designated constantly as “stupid kraut“. The comparison with „******“ is good.

I will keep that in mind in the future, especially since it seems our German membership is growing. Again, I never saw the word as insulting... Just another dumb American with german blood