Withdrawing from a League with no Honor

[StrategicKingMi]

I no longer have any use in playing league games. The players have no honor. 3 games in a row I had just the ugliest start and ended the game in 5 mins. Nothing was earned from these games. Nothing was reafirmed. Yet i have had 2 games where the otherside could not win and did not report cause i have a code of honor about this game. Bring a league into the equation and all players are concerned with is winning and not getting better, doing something different and having an interesting game. these people in the league just real are very bad and given equal starts get buried. Its the same old thing as it was in the wayning days of game league. This league is doomed by the very members it currently has. So who ever is in charge of this league remove my name from the league, it just sucks really bad.

[atawa]

Some players insist on reporting gaes over by 3600bc.............

[General Maximus]

blah, blah, blah.

You are so full of yourself. It is ranked, of course they want to win.

You think Kurt Angle will let Brock win the title because he tried really hard?

You think you should get twice your ending bid price on ebay because you tried, but people just weren't bidding high enough?

Crap happens, you are the BIGGEST whiner about starting position. "Oh, dammit, I have to work for this game, it's a draw!" Play or don't play, just don't whine about "honor" in regards to an online ranked game. I don't care if I'm on the pole, and he's got whales and grassland, I play. I will lose, but I play it out...until it's hopeless, or he finds me grossly undefended.

Strat is an

Strat against a challenge

[Ming]

So let me get this straight... if you have a bad start and you quit, it doesn't count?

And if you are lossing, but don't report it, it's ok and you don't really lose...

Am I missing something?

[Hydey]

Using this method , none of us will ever lose.

[DrSpike]

Hehe not to get in the way of the Strate trolling but I firmly believe for ladder games you should be able to request a restart (a limited amount obviously ) for the first few turns, like in the "silly kraut" league.

[Graag]

Although strat sometimes seems to talk of little other than bad starts,in this instance its a fair point.

When playing in a ladderit seems silly to count games where one party is at a huge andblatant disadvantage.

Itsvery iddifuclt to quantify these things of course but I think most ladder players should be able to come to an agreement about reasonable starting poisitions.

I'm not talking about restarrting because the other guy got 3 specials, but if you are in a hopelesssituation, such as a pole or whatever.

In a ladder game I would feel happy to allow until BC 3200 or so to ensure both players get going. Otherwise there isnt much point playing the game.

Of course all of the above applies to duels. In 3+ player games, good luck!

[atawa]

Genmax: strate is the first to offer a restart at 3500 when its obvious you have no chance in hell.

It is a 2-way street.....

[General Maximus]

He has never offered me a restart, offered many rematches. I do not believe I have ever played Gary in a ladder game...maybe I have...

My point is this, if you want to allow your opponent(and yourself) a restart in a bad situation, FINE. This should be agreed to during the setting negotiations. NOT whined about afterwards. If we agree to restart in 3600bc if conditions are bad for any player, that is fine with me. BUT, if we are playing, and in 2700bc some idiot finally explores his land to find he is on an island, or next to a dominent civ and DEMANDS a restart, then no. If you get a settler or advanced tribe in your first few huts, and your opponent gets masonry, an archer and 50 gold, no a restart is NOT in order.

This is the point I was making months and months ago about using premade maps. Assure yourself enough land and distance from other civs(and them from you, a "fair" and "even" start), and remove huts.

Flaming an entire membership of a ladder, because a player did not "Honor" your request of a draw, is rude and immature. You apparently are neither of those Gary, so act like it.

[MalevolentLight]

And yet somehow I'm 14-1. Guess I'm just lucky.

[Hydey]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
I'm 14-1.

1 loss, how can that be?

[rah]

Allowing restarts up to certain time changes the game. (example-you settle your capital and your second settler finds a hut. In a normal game unless I think I'm already behind I don't open that hut with the settler.) Under a restart limit I can open it and if a barb kills the settler, ask for a restart. Or waiting a turn or two to open a hut so you don't get pimped on the tech path. Don't worry, if you get unlucky, ask for a restart. NO RISK, NO CHOICE, PURE LUCK, NO SKILL.

[DrSpike]

That's why it has to be a small number of requests available to you........IIRC the German league uses 1.

[rah]

I guess having just one would minimize my objections, For duels anyway.

[atawa]

In German league its customary that both players can call 1 restart before 3500.

Good system imo