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**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 10:42

well we could just keep it teh way it is if no one objects....really, most people have pike or phalanxes already, you need toremember after all those beers to switch to warriors when you go for the leos upgrade so alot is riding on this one ...haha

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 10:44

Phalanxes don't matter since warriors don't become obsolete till pikeman.

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 10:48

no, but when building a phalanx it upgrades to musket right away....the warrior is the only one that doens't IIRC

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 10:49

Yes, but I assumed you wouldn't have a phalanx in the build queue at that time.

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 10:53

well despite peoples beliefs that i only use warriors, we both know that is not the case, later in the game i get those phalanxes in place just in case...but i do tend to have alot of warriors and attacking units more so that phalanxes

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 11:32

CW, please add, artic start = restart.
Unless someone objects.

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 11:38

hopefully he can find it amongst all the clutter

note, arctic start means no chance of hitting the mainland ...not just starting around tundra......

either top fo the mapboard or the bottom with no adjoining continent

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 12:03

What if the mainland can be reached 10 or 20 squares away?

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 13:59

well its got to be reasonable don't you think....i mean 20 turns is a long time in a civ game? your pretty much out of the top running unless you find gold, and a high production river with a whale to crank and end up with a nomad...]

so i would say if you can't reach the mainland in a 5 turns..then ...restart....

like i said, top or bottom of the mapboard...along the edges..... if it connects to a landmass ASAP then we can discuss via KC

**Ming** · May 15, 2003, 15:34

I would have to agree that it should be reasonable.

If it takes you 20 turns to get off the edge of the board, I don't really care that it's not a "true arctic" start... it still sucks

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 15:39

Agreed. Any other people with opinions?

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 16:19

probably not the aussies, they make you play

**rah** · May 15, 2003, 16:58

**War4ever** · May 15, 2003, 18:23

i think the standard rule should be, if you can't get to the main land by 5 turns its a restart......

**atawa** · May 15, 2003, 18:51

Originally posted by War4ever
no, but when building a phalanx it upgrades to musket right away....the warrior is the only one that doens't IIRC

Yes it does, else there wouldnt be the mass warior upgrade swarm strat

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