Why Bother With AI's

[Ming]

Hey Doc... I know your timing doesn't work for setting up games... but please register for the Civ II MP Civ group... it's a matter of spam, I mean pride

[DrSpike]

I will compromise my ugly icon principles for the sake of spam.

Done

[Ming]

Thanks... that makes 52. Much appreciated

[Alexander's Horse]

If you register does it add to your post count?

[DrSpike]

Now I see your motives.

I have never even heard of some of those 'players' though.

[Ming]

No... it doesn't. But it does mean that I'm less likely to nail you for spam for posting in a forum that you really have no business posting in

[Alexander's Horse]

Hey, the truth is I'm dying to buy civ 3 and really really sad it don't work.

Remember all those countless posts we made on ideas for civ 3

[Ming]

The problem is... they listened to TOO many of them. They have made a game that has taken to much of the fun out of it. Many of the complaints can be tracked directly to people saying such and such is too easy. Unfortunately, they went overboard... every time somebody posted a way to win, they killed it with the next patch. Bummer!

[Alexander's Horse]

I think that's quite true

[DrSpike]

You know, civ3 isn't a bad game......in fact it's quite good.....just not as good as it could have been.

I have always been sceptical about MP though.....the game seems less suited to it than civ2 (though that was probably serendipitous). I think it is symptomatic of the general problem of getting designers to think a bit more about MP, when SP is overwhelmingly the main market.

[Ming]

We whined way to much... and now we have a game where they have taken all the fun out of it. The corruption model is a joke... and their attempts to remove ISCing were worse than the cure. Maybe after a few more patches it will be ok, but for now, Civ II is still the best alernative.

[Hydey]

Originally posted by deity
then it's drinks all round.... on Hydey usually...

I think the person coming last in our current 4 way should buy the first round.

Pot of VB for me thanks Dad

[Flatlander Fox]

I think MP is the main market Doc, since every game these days has some kind of support for it...

The reason they're catching hell for this latest upgrade is because most of it could have been released as a patch, with the extras (New Civs and MP support) getting released towards the end of this month.

Another month working with gamespy(ware) and tweaking the MP would have been a great deal more important to the average player than the "wait for the next patch" fiasco we have going now.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
I think MP is the main market Doc, since every game these days has some kind of support for it...

This is flat wrong. For the vast majority of games the SP market is much bigger than the MP market....sure many games come with MP, but ultimately most games are designed with the SP market in mind. Civ 3 is a good example.

There are games where MP is as important as SP......things like AOM, or Warcraft 3, various FPS, but most games just don't have the MP interest to make the developers pay that much attention to MP.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by Ming
The problem is... they listened to TOO many of them. They have made a game that has taken to much of the fun out of it. Many of the complaints can be tracked directly to people saying such and such is too easy. Unfortunately, they went overboard... every time somebody posted a way to win, they killed it with the next patch. Bummer!

Cheer up Ming, We've also got Freeciv. Which stands alot closer to the original Civ1/2 model then Civ3 turned out to be.

I only wish more people would give it a try. With more people the alpha/beta/test-cycle would go far quicker. Oh well...maybe the SDL client wil help out.