New USA Sat night 1x1x Deity level game

[deity]

I'll give this one more go.

Reliabilty is the ONLY criteria!!!

Start around 7:30pm USA Sat night.

Anyone can play but the more experienced the better.

Will only play with at least 5 reliable players.

Rah rules inc diplo/spy limits.

Medium mixed map - cool wet if that's the best?

[Berzerker]

I can't connect to ICQ , post IP or email it if we are playing.

berzerkr@dophnic.yi.org

[Frank Johnson]

Since I quit my crappy excuse for a summer job, I will be 100% for that time slot from now on. Count me in next week.

[deity]

We got five now:

Berzerker, deity, Dangime, Hawkhunter and Deity Dude

... and hopefuly Hydey will make it six.

[SmartFart]

I am also interested. It's been awhile since I played anything but one nighters.

Shall we make it 'no wonders' game? I would like to play no city bribe as well.

[deity]

You are IN smartfart - excellent.

I'm easy about the rules, see what the others say...

[Deity Dude]

I would like to play large map - no wonders - 1x1x deity no barbs - RAH's rules for everything else

[Deity Dude]

sorry i forgot this - but everyone is allowed to ask for one restart before 3500bc

Those would be my ideal rules

PS And maybe a gentlemen's agreement on no "black clicking"

[SmartFart]

If everyone ask for one restart about 3500 bc with 6 or 7 players we wont even start a game on 1st session.
6-7 players should have large map to play on and no wonder game secures more or less balanced game.

[deity]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
sorry i forgot this - but everyone is allowed to ask for one restart before 3500bc

Those would be my ideal rules

PS And maybe a gentlemen's agreement on no "black clicking"

Too impractical DD. Let's just roll with it but if everyone is happy I could get a fair map made up with Dang, that we would all see; or a 3rd party could do us one. Where is cavebear when you need him!?

I agree on the black clicking. I hate that.

Brush up on Rah Rules everyone and let's be clear about the diplo spy limits - I need to brush up too....

[Frank Johnson]

If we do indeed play on a large map, its rare that a position is really game destorying. There's only so many cities you can have early any way, and after that phaze diplomacy should kick it.

But any other questions about the map, or huts or anything else? I assume the diplo limitations are no city bribe....unit bribe ok.

[deity]

Actually I think having no Wonders at all is slightly boring. Even thgopugh I rarely use Wonders it is more interesting to have them so what about one wonder each? If no one builds Apollo or Manhattens tough! Folks will think twice about what they build.

So, one Wonder each incl Apollos/and Man's. Yes?

[SmartFart]

If I understood you correctly you mean one wonder each and ban Apollo and Manhattan (which will never going to happen anyway).
Even if you don't ban those two I highly doubt someone will wait to spend his wonder slot on such a late wonders.
You didn't said anything about GW. RAH rules prevent this one too.

I suggest we vote for settings. Here's mine:

- no wonders
- no city bribe
- no trade or gifting anything
- noone is allowed to research espionage
- large map,continents
- no timer
- no micromanaging during your turn

Did I forget something?

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by SmartFart

I suggest we vote for settings. Here's mine:

- no wonders
- no city bribe
- no trade or gifting anything
- noone is allowed to research espionage
- large map,continents
- no timer
- no micromanaging during your turn

Did I forget something?

WONDERS:

I agree with no wonders except I think Apollo should be allowed. I'd love to play an MP game that ended with AC. I think Manhatten's should be allowed too, earth lived thru it lets see if we can.


RESTARTS:

My thought about restart wasn't that everyone would take a restart. I agree if we had 6 restarts at 3500bc the first session would be nothing but restarts. Let's look at it another way though. I expect/hope that this game will go several sessions probably months. I would hate to play a game for months if I felt I was doomed from the beginning.

I would probably only ask for a restart if I were placed on all mountains, desert and jungle. I wouldn't expect that there would be alot of requests for restarts because you would only get one and might get a horrible position on the restart.

The idea isn't to restart until you get a perfect or even good position, its just to avoid having to play a horrible one for months thus avoiding people dropping because of a horrible start.

I don't like the idea of a premade map to insure fairness. They become predictable.


BLACK CLICKING:

I would like a gentleman's agreement about no black clicking and map peeking (after all they are the same thing) If we're gonna black click why not just reveal the map to everyone from the beginning.


TIMER:

I would like to suggest an extremely long timer maybe 60 mins. From my experience it has 3 advantages

1) It keeps people on their toes.

2) It provides an actual assessment of how long people are taking. Hopefully this will help us avoid the debates in the forums about who is slow and who isn't.

3) You can tell if the game is frozen immediately.


MAP:

I agree with large map but I prefer an island map to continents. It adds the naval element of the game.

I also think it should be 3 bil wet warm.


BARBS:

RAH's calls for raging. I'm OK with any setting, I just think it should be discussed.

To sum it up:

No wonders (except Apollo and Manhatten's)
No city bribe
no trading or gifting anything
noone is allowed to research espionage
large map, islands 3bil wet warm
Extremely long timer
No black clicking or map peeking
Each player allowed 1 restart before 3500bc
Raging Barbs
RAH's Rules for everything not covered

How was that for a long post

[Frank Johnson]

Wonders - I don't care one way or the other. If we play 1 wonder games though you should have to save the slot of Apollo. Victory conditions for games like these are very tense and such an easy way out as a spaceship should be less easy to come by in my opinion. Actually 1 wonder is best since everyone will get one instead of a few people getting them all.

Restarting - The larger the map the less likely this situation is what I say, but still if immediately entering the game and assessing the starting position as impossible to fix (I assume 2 settlers so at least plains could be irrigated in the first years) Then it would have to be a radically bad starting position....all desert, hills/mountation or jungles and swamps and such.
But the thing is, 21 jungle is bad yeah, but 18 jungle and 3 grassland sheild is fine in my book. As long as the capital can get joining.

Timer - I've never had any time issues thrown at me I believe.....so I wont argue against a timer as long as its flexable for people fighting the occasional war.

Barbarians - I suggest at least some barbarian activity. This forces people to garrison their cities. Raging isnt the best though since barbarians tend to be too large a factor and its usually an uneven one. So I'd suggest roaming, just as a measure to force garrisons.

Black Clicking - All it tells you is if its new land or not or am I missing something? Anyway I wont do it if you wont do it.

Tech Trading / Map Trading - Yea or nay? I could care less about gold since the huge bug involved in trading gold is a huge cheat. And units open the door for double moves, another cheat.