This is what happens when you don't get HG on deity

[SmartFart]

Originally posted by HappySunShine
HAHAHA!!! Ok Markus, you want to play it that way? First we'll play 2x2x, don't even build any wonders and lets see if you can beat me. Then lets play deity 1x1x and I'll let you have pyramids and lighthouse. I get HG and mikes though. Still think you can win? Ask woke and Oedo what lighthouse did for them.

If I got the Pyramids on deity x1x1,you'll never get Mike. And even if you do (highly improbable) I'll have Bach.

[War4ever]

pyramids help both the pre WLT*D and the post WLT*D

but obviously are much more beneficial early...especially in those PG games

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by SmartFart
Pyramids are much more dangerous if used properly.

I think so too - you get growth in every form of government.

[DrSpike]

I think he means deity games.

The way I see it HG is useful in MP 1x deity games but not crucial to victory. In duels the balance changes towards Eyes' statement, but there are other happy wonders; Mikes can come quite early, and unless the land is very mismatched one player shouldn't get both.

[War4ever]

Eyes do you think that about EVERY level...or are we talking about specific settings ?

[HappySunShine]

"Last time we played your civ completely self destructed when you didn't get HG."

Exactly. You have to have HG in order to win. And in order to get HG first you have to have the better science. That game you had whales and everything around you. Your capital was a whale anda pheasant. Your second and third cities had whales. My city had wheat and forest. The only whale I had was 10 squares away. Whoever has the better science gets HG first, whoever has HG first wins the game. I rest my case.

[markusf]

Originally posted by HappySunShine
HAHAHA!!! Ok Markus, you want to play it that way? First we'll play 2x2x, don't even build any wonders and lets see if you can beat me. Then lets play deity 1x1x and I'll let you have pyramids and lighthouse. I get HG and mikes though. Still think you can win? Ask woke and Oedo what lighthouse did for them.

I was replying to ming and his settings. On 2x 1x diety pyramids is useless, SOL is useless, bachs is useless. Now in a MP game it doesn't matter to much if you get happies or not, where as in a duel it gives a huge advantage to your production and attacking abilities.

Last time we played your civ completely self destructed when you didn't get HG.

[HappySunShine]

HAHAHA!!! Ok Markus, you want to play it that way? First we'll play 2x2x, don't even build any wonders and lets see if you can beat me. Then lets play deity 1x1x and I'll let you have pyramids and lighthouse. I get HG and mikes though. Still think you can win? Ask woke and Oedo what lighthouse did for them.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Ming
I wouldn't call HG useless... but you can play without it.

Pyramids... lighthouse... like HG, they serve a purpose.
If you don't know how to use them...

I am talking about 1x 1x here. In 2x most wonders are useless. because you would get way further ahead creating trade routes with those cara's

[Ming]

Originally posted by Hydey
well I'm sure if Eyes is not going to play deity games anymore then he will not be commenting about deity games either.

Yeah... right....

[Hydey]

well I'm sure if Eyes is not going to play deity games anymore then he will not be commenting about deity games either.

[oedo]

too bad we can´t test eyes´ claim anymore, which is -as I think- as daring as my challenge to him was. he told me he will never play any deity games anymore.

but so it be, one can´t force people to their luck.

[Ming]

I wouldn't call HG useless... but you can play without it.

Pyramids... lighthouse... like HG, they serve a purpose.
If you don't know how to use them...

[markusf]

Originally posted by SmartFart
Pyramids are much more dangerous if used properly.

LH and pyramids are both better then HG, hg is a pretty useless early wonder. Its fun building it when playing players who don't know how to expand without it.

[War4ever]

yup...i like pyramids too Smartfart.....reproducing is key in civ..and pyramids make it a joy...and combined..lethal