This is what happens when you don't get HG on deity

[HappySunShine]

I already told you. I don't just go play any rookie that challenges me to a game. If you want to play you're going to have to put something more on the table. I'm only going to play smart because he says he can win without HG. Do something similiar and I'll consider playing you. You also have absolutely no reputation on here and you haven't beaten anyone good. So you tell me why I should play someone who is unknown on a setting I hate simply for fun? What do I get for beating you? So as I told you on the zone, fill out the application and submit and I'll get back to you in a few days. Please understand that you aren't the only applicant and that a reply may take as many as 10 working days.

[Deity Dude]

As I expected - an excuse not to play.

[HappySunShine]

Why would I play you a deity game for fun? The only reason I'm playing deity is to prove that deity comes down to who gets HG first, and who gets HG first comes down to land. That is the only reason I'm playing it. I don't see what beating you would prove. You're not a top tier player, you're not a "known" player, and your settings have nothing to offer other than about 3 hours of tedium.

And while pyramids does allow faster recovery, on deity when you start building cities they get mad at size 1, then -1, then -2. With HG, you're assured of happiness without even having to build temples or defend. It actually hurts you to have pyramids after a very short period of time because your core cities will start to become very large and even with a temple and 3 units they'll still get mad. Either way you'll be trying to keep up with your growth and happiness rather than pouring all your resources into units and settlers. Any way you look at it pyramids without HG will lose.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Ming
Eyes'....

A rational discussion...

That's what we like about your posting... information instead of ranting...

I'll trade comment's on your response to mine later... but good stuff here

Originally posted by war4ever
good stuff eyes...

Isn't it amazing that when Eyes finally post like a normal human being he gets 12 thumbs up and complements.

It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain waving a piece of paper just before Poland was invaded.

Anyways Eyes my offer stands. Strat wouldn't take it will you?

[arii]

I think that the real power of the pyramid is not that it takes half the amonunt of food to grow your city pop by 1 but when you build a settler. The city that produces the settler recovers a lot faster from the pop lost and then is able to produce a new settler a lot faster.
So for people that crank out settlers to expand very fast it is a very powerful wonder.

[Ming]

Eyes'....

A rational discussion...

That's what we like about your posting... information instead of ranting...

I'll trade comment's on your response to mine later... but good stuff here

[War4ever]

good stuff eyes...i agree about pyramids and HG

[HappySunShine]

Actually pyramids is extremely powerful. I think all of you talking about how useless they are goes to show just how far the skill level has sunk. When I got a 3310 rating on gameleague it was because I went pyramids very early, like 2500BC or earlier. It's actually better to get pyramids, suntzu, great wall, and then go for the happy wonders on 2x2x King. However on deity 1x1x getting pyramids without HG means that he's relying on martial law and temples. Which means he's giving up alot of expansion and settler building. Yes he'll have bigger cities, but he won't be able to keep up with someone who has HG and builds nothing but settlers. On a small map HG becomes even more important because the guy with HG can basically go all out military and expansion. By the time the other guy gets Mikes it will be too late. Pyramids and HG combined on deity very early is pretty much unstoppable. Even without mikes your expansion rate isn't hindered by unhappiness. Plus alot of people dont' realize that Bachs is in alot of ways better than Mikes. Bachs is 2 free citizens content which means that bachs+ a cathedral is more powerful than just having mikes. Yes a cathedral is expensive, but HG, pyramids, and bachs combined more than makes up for any cost of cathedrals. What I usually do in deity games is get those 3 wonders and anything else I can get quickly, do massive expansion very fast. Like 50 cities by 1AD, then go republic and celebrate/buy all the improvements for the cities. The result is alot of very large cities very fast. And of course you should never ever stop building cities for the entire game. There should always be some sort of expansion occuring until you hit the city cap. HG is just too powerful, and if you ban it from your game it makes the game too slow.

[DrSpike]

I like pyramids in 1x deity duels. You tend to go rep later than in MP and pyramids has some time to speed expansion and get more cities to celebrating size. Also, pyramids complements HG well. Of course SF builds pyramids really early, so you don't get both there, but I'm content with HG.

[oedo]

in 1x1x pyramids is also not very powerful. people use to get republik in about 500 BC and do exactly the same as they do in 2x2x. I absolutely have no clue in what settings pyramids can be a somewhat useful wonder.

[atawa]

Originally posted by SmartFart


Like what? Pyramids increases your resourcessuck ability by 50%! Considering trade and everything. And that alone makes them most powerful wonder indeed. It's a pure math. Skill is how and when you're going to use it. I am still lacking in that.

In 2x2x king its not very usefull as most players will get rep in 2650, after that the only thing you have to do to celebrate your city's to size 8 is to build a temple and put all workers in the water.

The only reason to build Pyramids in those games is if you're planning on building SOL and go commie or fundi.

[Dank]

seems like a fair offer......but come one DD.....you know he won't play it........he's just like Stratking.......likes to talk more then play......and hell.....King is a friend of mine!!!!!

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by HappySunShine

Markus couldn't "cram a bunch of units" down my throat on king with Lighthouse and suntzu and me having no capital.

Is this true Markus. I guess I would have to know all the details of the game before I comment but it seem amazing that you couldnt win with that kind of advantage.

Originally posted by HappySunShine

Now if you'd like to teach me a lesson on 1x1x deity then we need only set up a time to play. So when is it best for you?

Does that offer go for me too? I don't know if I "would teach you a lesson" but I certainly would like to play that game. I propose a best of 3 or 5 so there is no b1tching about starts.

[SmartFart]

Originally posted by SlowwHand




Better use of time and resources in 2X than Pyramids.

Like what? Pyramids increases your resourcessuck ability by 50%! Considering trade and everything. And that alone makes them most powerful wonder indeed. It's a pure math. Skill is how and when you're going to use it. I am still lacking in that.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by SmartFart


Slowwhand,you really don't have an idea of what are you talking about do you?

In 2X, if you need Pyramids, then it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Better use of time and resources in 2X than Pyramids.