What rule do people most disagree on?

[Ming]

As many of you know, our group plays "rah" rules. While many may not agree that they are the best rules, at least it avoids the silly arguments up front and during the game on what is legal or not...

What rule or cheat comes up the most when setting up a game, and what comes up during a game... Just wondering

[SlowwHand]

I see more "No City Bribe" requests being made.
Along with that is "No Great Wall", which I still fail to see how relates.
Overuse of Dips is a colossal painintheass, I do agree.

[Frank Johnson]

In game's like Rah's where its 2x production getting the great wall is a virtual victory. Most big climatic wars I see are ALWAYS preceeded with, you guessed it, hordes and hordes of diplomats to destory city walls........its gotten to the point where no one fights any other way than this.....its the best way after all right? LOL

That is the case when there's a no city bribe rule in effect. The problem with the city bribe is the forumla doesn't take into consideration some vital factors in the city, like the number of units garrisoned there. People can get really ripped off and lose a whole army or key defensive point then lose 2 or 3 more to their own troops. Also it gives democracy another strong power, and if city bribe is in effect there almost no governments ever besides democracy.

But the rules that usually have the most dividing effect are the production rules and movement rules. These lines usually keep alot of players seperate entirely.

But Ive thrown alot of rule mods out there and havent gotten alot of complaints.

[Species8472]

I dislike the acceptance of disbanding units in other people's turns. You bribe a city, and suddenly your city doesnt have defense anymore. There is no defense against such tactic. I always play without this nonsense.

[rah]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
In game's like Rah's where its 2x production getting the great wall is a virtual victory.

Have to dissagree with that one. If that was the case, it would always be the first wonder built. It never is the first, or the second. Quite a few other wonders are built first. Because it expires too early, all GW does it guarentees that you will survive till Metalurgy. But even if you survive, it doesn't guarentee that you won't be woefully behind in techs, cities, pop, units, and whatever. And if you build gw instead of hg, gl, stwa, mics, pyramids, or going the ssc wonder route, you will find yourself behind unless you had resources to burn.

The only time I even will consider building gw, is when I'm already behind and find myself in the middle of a small map with everyone nipping at my borders. I'll last till metalurgy, but not much longer.

If the game isn't going to last till metalurgy, most people will say whoever gets hg will win on the powergraph, due to the extra pop explosion due to wltkds. OR to the one that builds stwa first and sends out the vet elephants first. A case can be make for many wonders. Personally, a couple of months ago, I trashed someone with GW. (he must have figured that no one would attack him, and had few crappy defenders.)

No wonder guarentees a "VIRTUAL WIN" unless you're playing with very inexperienced players.

RAH

I have agreed in the past (a couple of times) to ban GW in a few duels. But since duels move along so quickly, you always get to metalurgy in enough time to enjoy trashing your opponent. I'll concede GW if I get some of the other more important wonders.

[SlowwHand]

Pyramids affects the graph as much, if not more, than HG, RAH.

[rah]

Depends on how long the game goes and how experienced you are at really milking wltkds. But there are circumstances where I would agree, but there are others that I won't.

RAH

[SlowwHand]

Ah. A disagreement.
A Happy Wonder does have significant impact. Together with Pyramids, the graph is shot.

[rah]

Yeah, when I get all the good wonders, I'm unstopable.

In a competive MP game, you take what you can get when it comes to wonders. Rarely do you get ALL the good ones.

If I get shut out on the happy wonders and figure SOL and Communism is the route, then Pyramids is VERY important.

But as always, every game is different, and you have to be flexible.

RAH

[markusf]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Pyramids affects the graph as much, if not more, than HG, RAH.

Pyramids are useless if you use republic in 2x. A republic player will always dominate.

[rah]

While a agree with you 90% it's not TOTALLY worthless, Pyramids can be useful once your cities can't celebrate anymore, and helping them get to size three so they can start celebrating.

RAH

[Frank Johnson]

Yeah Guess I was a little too broad. In small map duelish sort of games, GW does take on a huge ammount of importanance than say in the one the large diplo games, where its rarly if ever built. Alot of the GL duel style games I had to look over etc......almost always ended before metagulry.....

Going masonry -> poly -> Fued -> Mono

Staying in monarchy and getting GW, and Sun Tzu is the ultimate form I'd guess for a duel.

[rah]

Yeah, in that context, your orignal post is more acurate. Which is why I've occasionally agreed to ban GW in duels.
But on the other hand, All of our games are on small worlds and in duels we usually get past Metalury anyway. And when you get to calvary, you don't have to knock down the walls, just have enough vet calvary.

RAH

[finbar]

In our Australian games, the only rule ever debated is whether we form an orderly queue to berate Deity for his slow play or just broadside him en masse.

[Ming]

Now that's a tough one to argue about...