Why do you Cheat

[Eyes_Of_Night]

"mm, why don't you explain how to get 25 gold at the 1st turn, without a hut close to you?"

Are you saying I did that in a game with you? And I'm the one that discovered the map editor thing...so try not to be a moron. Somehow I find it hard to believe that I would be stupid enough to give myself a whopping 25 gold in the first turn with no huts around me. Obviously you're full of **** and need a lesson on how to speak english. Also you don't seem to be able to understand the concept of putting everything on one post.

[SlowwHand]

The bit about the ability to speak English is a little over the line, Eyes.

[Kuja]

Honest confessions of a past cheater

1) Please explain why you do it
2) Explain all the different cheats you use
3) List examples of the people that you most recently cheated and what you did
4) Give an example on how cheating made you number one in any of the ladders
5) Explain how cheating makes you more popular with the girls and adds to your felling of self worth.

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1) I did it when I was still learning the game. I started much later than everyone else did, and while that is not a good excuse, "cheating" taught me a lot about the game. The entire time span of my cheating was a little less than a year. It started when I played somebody on the zone by the name of Rabbit something or other. He had about 3 wonders by 3000BC and even though a newb to the game I realized this wasn't possible. I asked him how I could do that and he introduced me to a hex editing program called GameHack. While he didn't tell me how to use it, I was able to decifer two uses for the program: editting gold, and changing which civ your screen views. I later refined the technique of masking the gold cheat so as to not make it obvious, and then I forgot how to use the civ viewing hex. During the time that I did know how to do it however, it allowed me to take my turn viewing my civ, then during my opponents turn to enter his colors hex # and I could watch him play. This I think is what I meant by "cheating" teaching me how to play. Instead of going through the tedious act of saving every turn and reviewing and loading each save of my opponent, I could instead watch him move for move, see what he built, when he built it, what tech path he went, etc. This I found to be a better teaching tool than saving b/c saves are not precise. You'd have to save about 5 times during each turn just to see everything I got to see. It was an invaluable tool that made me into the player I am today. While I regret being secretive about my learning process, I think without it I wouldn't have excelled as quickly as I did.

2) I used a hex editor called GameHack that allowed me to edit gold and change the civ that your screen viewed. So while some ppl thought I used 2 computers, they were wrong. I could do all of it from one computer while I still remember the exact hex #'s that allowed me to do it.

3) The most recent player I cheated against was DrFell about 3 months ago. Before him the last time I cheated was in a team game with Oedo, Eyes, and UIF. I'm sure there was an instance or two in between there, but nothing significant to my memory (which by the way sux)

4) Cheating never made me #1 in gameleague, that was all me. I can honestly say I only cheated in one gameleague game, and i can't remember who it was against, but i believe i was a yellow civ and i editted my gold in order to rush build a bunch of horses so as to not lose key cities. what was his name... i think it may have been pauldaman? no...maybe... i forget, sean probably knows better than i do, he has a mind like a steel trap for these sorta things

5) oh man! you don't know what you're missing out on! i couldn't even walk outside to get the newspaper without having mobs of screaming women ripping off my clothes and pinching my ass and shouting "ITS KUJA! I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!!!"

but seriously, I apologize to all that have been affected by my cheating. i no longer have ICQ or the gamehack program, and have no desire to have either. i fell to temptation and found myself using it even when i didn't have to. those days have long since passed though, and if anybody would like more clarity on anything i said or failed to mention, i'd be happy to answer them.

later

[Kuja]

forgot something

Oh yeah, I remembered how I left out another "cheat" although I fail to see it as that. I had about 5 names in gameleague total before sticking with Kuja. They were all dumb names that I quickly grew tired of. So I initially had BullBull I think. I managed to rack up about 1300 points or so, and then hated the name. I created a new one, and reported a win to my new name from BullBull. by gameleague standards this is considered a cheat. However, if they provided a name change service then i wouldn't have had to do this. how is it cheating to go from name A with 1300 points, to name B with 1000 points? I just dropped 300 points just to change my name... and by reporting 1 win it gave me about 1100 points or so. Maybe somebody can enlighten me as to how lowering my point total by 200 is cheating.. but whatever, just thought I'd mention everything with me coming clean and all

later

[sekong]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
"mm, why don't you explain how to get 25 gold at the 1st turn, without a hut close to you?"

Are you saying I did that in a game with you? And I'm the one that discovered the map editor thing...so try not to be a moron. Somehow I find it hard to believe that I would be stupid enough to give myself a whopping 25 gold in the first turn with no huts around me. Obviously you're full of **** and need a lesson on how to speak english. Also you don't seem to be able to understand the concept of putting everything on one post.

Your looking down to others made you did that
You did not claim to win me at that game, so I never say a word about it until seeing yr comfess.
I know I need some practice on my English. That's why I play arround here.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

First of all, I've played you before sekong and you are a complete rookie. Enough said.

Kuja, you're also leaving out the fact that you reported wins to yourself as ViejoVerde, AilingLeach, and that burrito name. Also you left out a team game when it was me and you against slowwhand and Bud/kasya. You were way behind me in cities and you somehow not only caught up to me but you outgrew me and when I asked you how you said "alot of 100 gold huts".

As for the gamehack thing...I had no idea you were able to look at other people playing with a hex value. I didn't even know it was editable. I had always wondered why you could find people's capitals so fast. This would probably be a great learning tool though. Anyone want to watch the great EyesOfNight play in real time? hehehe

[DrFell]

Originally posted by Ming
Oh... and Dr Fell...while I have no clue if there is a program that allows you to effect the outcome of a hut... you can use huts to cover the use of some programs.

As I said I was one of the first to think of this '100 gold for an empty hut' cheating method But you can't give yourself techs/advanced tribes/units from huts unless you really want to screw around with the game.

[Kuja]

yes, i thought i mentioned i had many gameleague names, and almost everytime i made a new one (except kuja, my final name) i reported a win from a previous name.

as for the other tribe game, i can't remember it at all, but i think the huts were just kind to me that game. i'd know more for certain if you put a date on the game, then i would know whether or not i had the GameHack.

haha, all this talk about GameHack made me remember how I did it. If anybody has GameHAck, or I'm sure any other editor will work, i THINK you type in 6d1da0. dont quote me on this, it's been a long time, but if that's right, then it should display a value of 1-7 depending on your civ. white civs are 1, green are 2, blue are 3, yellow are 4, light blue are 5, orange is 6, and purple is 7. So say i am mongols for example. I would open up gamehack and type in 6d1da0 (if that's the right hex value). it would display a value of 7. i would play my turn and end it. then during my opponents turn i would change the value from 7 to whatever i wanted to see. so if my opponent was the romans, i would switch it from 7 to 1. i could now watch that player on my screen. as soon as his turn ends, it automatically goes back to my screen. not only did it teach me lots by watching sean, gary, and others, it was also a nice respite from the 10 minute turns.. i could now see why it took them so long to move

[atawa]

I tried to cheat once, a couple of weeks ago I downloaded cheatomatic to see how it worked, when I tried it against some newbie on the zone all it did was let the game crash........
Guess you dont want to use it while hosting.

[Smash]

In the beginning it was a race to discover cheats first ....pretty much anything went.Nobody knew any better.In particular was the stuff 2 players can do together.Even now I must say it was great fun.I remember setting up squares for ships full of troops gifting.Gift the ship and the troops get beamed up to somewhere.With some trial and error you can find where troops go from each ocean square.
Trading caravans was one of my favorites.
Unlimited moves was another fun one.
Non units were kinda hard to time but felt like a gambling win when you got 1.
Wonder trading actually seemed to go along way to keeping games going after 1 or 2 sessions.A quick SoL trade gave anybody without happy wonders a "2nd wind".
It gave you something to do when you were "chasing a leader"

After awhile you realize this stuff is detracting from the fun of the game....some of it anyways ..any game with allies saw turns that took forever as cities were traded,units..you name it.

It all comes down to whether you absolutely play to win or you play for fun.

[sekong]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
First of all, I've played you before sekong and you are a complete rookie. Enough said.

Sean, seems you don't understand, in civ field, a rookie in MP does not mean a rookie civver. I have played this game for 9 years. Before I got my civ2 MP, I have played civ2 for 4+ years.
For HEX thing I happen to know a bit. Back to the time of civ1, I already tried to edit the sav file, so I can have a hotseat feast with my civ pal. Not that good tho.

[SlowwHand]

Cheaters should be put in front of a firing squad.

[Ming]

LOL...

[markusf]

Originally posted by Kuja
yes, i thought i mentioned i had many gameleague names, and almost everytime i made a new one (except kuja, my final name) i reported a win from a previous name.

as for the other tribe game, i can't remember it at all, but i think the huts were just kind to me that game. i'd know more for certain if you put a date on the game, then i would know whether or not i had the GameHack.

haha, all this talk about GameHack made me remember how I did it. If anybody has GameHAck, or I'm sure any other editor will work, i THINK you type in 6d1da0. dont quote me on this, it's been a long time, but if that's right, then it should display a value of 1-7 depending on your civ. white civs are 1, green are 2, blue are 3, yellow are 4, light blue are 5, orange is 6, and purple is 7. So say i am mongols for example. I would open up gamehack and type in 6d1da0 (if that's the right hex value). it would display a value of 7. i would play my turn and end it. then during my opponents turn i would change the value from 7 to whatever i wanted to see. so if my opponent was the romans, i would switch it from 7 to 1. i could now watch that player on my screen. as soon as his turn ends, it automatically goes back to my screen. not only did it teach me lots by watching sean, gary, and others, it was also a nice respite from the 10 minute turns.. i could now see why it took them so long to move

You mean using this i can figure out what diety actually does on his turn?

[DrFell]

If you have the patience.