Why do you Cheat

[Ming]

Originally posted by markusf
You mean using this i can figure out what diety actually does on his turn?

You probably don't really want to know...

[War4ever]

why would you want to give yourself extra cash? aside from the obvious...its not like this form of cheating helps you "master" the game....

alot of you have posted about cheating and exploiting to understand the game better and to figure out how to win....

i fail to see how giving yourself cash is nothing more than a crutch for the weaker player...if i can quote a famous Aussie here

[rah]

Originally posted by Smash
After awhile you realize this stuff is detracting from the fun of the game....some of it anyways ..any game with allies saw turns that took forever as cities were traded,units..you name it.

That was the main reason that we decided not to allow a lot of things and not allow official alliances. THE TURNS TOOK SO LONG. A few of those tricks don't bother me, but in total, it slowed the game down to much.

RAH

[Spartan_RawB]

All this talk about cheating is quite unsettling for me.

Personally, I see no point in painstakingly checking if ppl have cheated or not. If they cheat and win, what's the point? Let them have their cheap thrill, bragging rights, etc. because if they need to cheat to win, they'll never be a true winner at heart.

So I don't get ppl who downloaded cheat-o-matics to try and see "how it worked" or ppl who cheated to "find out more about the game." To me, this is total nonsense. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. That's my philosophy about cheating.

I fear that if this GameHack thing catches on, it *will* kill this game. Reading about different kinds of cheating, especially being able to look at other civs is disheartening to say the least. It takes the fun out of the game for me completely.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Spartan_RawB
All this talk about cheating is quite unsettling for me.

Reading about different kinds of cheating, especially being able to look at other civs is disheartening to say the least. It takes the fun out of the game for me completely.

That's why we like our group... The hardcore long timers have reputations for honesty. And when we catch newcomers cheating, they never find their way into another game
We do play just for fun... and we want to keep it fun

[DrFell]

Originally posted by Spartan_RawB
So I don't get ppl who downloaded cheat-o-matics to try and see "how it worked" or ppl who cheated to "find out more about the game." To me, this is total nonsense. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. That's my philosophy about cheating.

Well, I only cheated 1 zone newbie ever. I built GW and Pyramids by 3200BC so it was all pretty obvious. And it's best to know how cheating is done anyway so you can detect it yourself. The whole thing started with the Kuja cheating.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

"All this talk about cheating is quite unsettling for me.

Personally, I see no point in painstakingly checking if ppl have cheated or not. If they cheat and win, what's the point? Let them have their cheap thrill, bragging rights, etc. because if they need to cheat to win, they'll never be a true winner at heart.

So I don't get ppl who downloaded cheat-o-matics to try and see "how it worked" or ppl who cheated to "find out more about the game." To me, this is total nonsense. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. That's my philosophy about cheating.

I fear that if this GameHack thing catches on, it *will* kill this game. Reading about different kinds of cheating, especially being able to look at other civs is disheartening to say the least. It takes the fun out of the game for me completely."

Amazing, the biggest defender of cheaters ever says he feels weak in the knees when he reads about cheating.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Spartan
I fear that if this GameHack thing catches on, it *will* kill this game. Reading about different kinds of cheating, especially being able to look at other civs is disheartening to say the least. It takes the fun out of the game for me completely."

Most players here play with friends, or at least people they trust to play honourably. That includes confirming before doing anything that may be considered bug exploitation.

Edit: Looks like Ming already said that.

[Spartan_RawB]

I've done some thinking about everything that's been talked about, and I've come to some conclusions.

I'm not a genius, but I have a hunch for things. Sometimes, these hunches turn out to be wrong, but in my heart, I know I've got VERY good reasons for having reached the conclusions I did.

Out of respect for our friendship, I will not mention the person's name, but I believe I was cheated in at least ONE of the three games we played lately. I have no proof, but I know in my heart something was flawed in that game, just some things that didn't seem right, not just once, but many times. Now knowing the nature of all kinds of cheating, what's happened makes a lot of sense.

For those out there, if this kind of thing happens in your game, be aware. You may be being cheated on:

1) You notice your city screen opening and closing very quickly, almost at a blinking speed.
2) You notice the map view shifting without you using your mouse and clicking.

Stick to the ppl you TRUST will not cheat, for I will stick to this policy in the future. For those who have ever cheated in this game and continue to do so, shame on you. It's such a callous and disrespectful attitude towards other ppl and this game.

[rah]

Yes it's sad. In the early days we could avoid the zone, leagues and ladders and mostly avoid the cheats. Now if something strange happens in one of our "friendly" game, I get suspicious.

That is something I deeply regret.

Rich

[Chris 62]

Ming is cheating you, Rich, he told me when he was tanked!

[rah]

The very last person I would suspect.




Rich
And happy birthday wishes to Mrs. Ming

[SlowwHand]

Eyes made a comment about if you're cheated and lose, so what?
My main complaint is that I don't feel like donating any time to wasting time.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Spartan_RawB
2) You notice the map view shifting without you using your mouse and clicking.

That happens when trade routes are established to someones capitol.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Spartan_RawB

1) You notice your city screen opening and closing very quickly, almost at a blinking speed.

I noticed this one when your not hosting.. seems to be involved with lag and the trade commodities of the city changing...