Why do you Cheat

[rah]

DrFell
Since you've downloaded it, I'd still like to have you try it against me in a game so I can test my theory. Look for me online this weekend. I'd greatly appreciate it.

Rich

[DrFell]

Ok. I'll probably be home for the weekend (at uni right now, no time or copy of civ2 to play).

[Chris 62]

I find all of this disturbing, this cheating stuff.

It's just a game, yet it's taken to extremes.
The only time I ever cracked the cheat mode is for scenario work, I couldn't begin to guess on how to do it in a live game, but I have been fairly good at detecting things that don't seem right (I was right about the MP game I told you about, Ming, the guy was cheating, every hut was sci and tech).

I found another sign of a cheater is the "dropper", the guy who's conection drops every single turn without fail.
The last time I saw this was in a 6 person game, the "dropper" had twice as many cities as anyone else, and 24 techs to everyone else having 12!

Seen some of the other stuff, but I'm no expert at catching anyone, I'm pretty sure I could be fooled rather easily.

[DrFell]

I don't think you can affect hut results using cheat programs.

[SlowwHand]

Anything that is not part of the spirit of the game as intended, be they cheat programs, bugs, or whatever is ethically bankrupt.

[Scouse Gits]

Originally posted by Chris 62
I find all of this disturbing, this cheating stuff.

It's just a game, ...

Hear hear!

Idle curiosity - as a University Lecturer I see that the students of today seem to feel that the only crime is getting caught - the concepts of morality or ethics seem to largely escape them - I know that Ming & Rah are of my generation, but is it fair to say that most of the cheaters belong to my daughter's generation or am I just getting to be an Old Fart who heaps all the problems of the world upon the young

SG[1]

[SlowwHand]

Like the thief who isn't sorry for the theft, only sorry for being caught.

[Ming]

While I have no intention of labeling an entire generation as cheaters... I will admit there is some truth in what you say.

In talks with my daughter, it does seem like the general feeling is that cheating is ok as long as you don't get caught. She was telling me tons of stories of how the kids cheat in school (while denying that she does). Needless to say... WE HAD A LONG TALK

But after saying that... Our generation has some of that too

Oh... and Dr Fell...while I have no clue if there is a program that allows you to effect the outcome of a hut... you can use huts to cover the use of some programs. As people have reported... let's say you get an empty village... you then cheat and add 100 gold.
Impossible to prove somebody did it... Let's say you get a barb horseman, and since you have a movement left, you kill it... add 100 gold or a tech... again impossible to check unless you suspect something, and save MULTIPLE times during a persons turn (what a pain in the neck), and even then, you would have to be really lucky to actually catch it when it happens.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

I completely agree we should be against bugs, but they aren't technically cheating. It's in the game, it's apart of the game, it requires no extra programs. The hut reopening bug is a bug that relies on lag and only the non host can do it...that's more of a cheat because it's not really the program causing the bug, it's the lag. Whereas the disband diplomat thing...that's not lag at all. The reason the disband diplomat works is because as long as the window for the option to disband is still open you can still chooose to disband your unit even after it is gone. The window closes like every minute and a half or something so you basically have a minute and a half time frame. So in conclusion, bugs aren't technically cheating, but the public opinion says it is...therefore it is. And I agree with that opinion.

By the way, I see Bud/kasya and kuja have yet to post on here...wonder why?

[drake]

Whats funny is cheaters posing as winners.

Cheaters arent winners, theyre the exact opposite.

Like those dopers in the olympics posing as champions. They arent ****, and people that cheat on civ arent **** either.

The character and integrity of someone that has to cheat to win is shady at best. I know I couldnt look at myself in the mirror if I knew I had to bend rules for me to accomplish things.

[SlowwHand]

As far as the generation thing goes, I think you'll always hear the "establishment" wringing their hands and moaning about the young.
And as always those moaning will be noticing the people who draw attention, minority or not.
Goes back to the values that are taught, and learned.
I'm fortunate. One "child", few serious worries.
Her mother did a good job.

[sekong]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight

3) The last person I cheated was Carnide back in the summer of 99. I gave myself gold to buy the pyramids. I still don't agree that riot factor is a cheat. Perhaps ethically wrong, but not technically cheating.

Hmm, why don't you explain how to get 25 gold at the 1st turn, without a hut close to you?
Sb. else may think it's due to a hut before he making the save. But loading the save with the map editor and I cna see each single hut's position. !lol!

[sekong]

Re: Why do you Cheat

I think I did cheat in civ2. Not a great cheater tho. One of the thing I did most was using cheat option to reveal the map. Also I liked to change to other CIV when I felt bored.

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ming
Inspired by the discussion going on in another thread...

For all you cheaters out there:

1) Please explain why you do it[\QUOTE]
Explore all secret part of my favoratest game. Spend more time with it, feel excitement of discoverring, and play better.

[QUOTE]
2) Explain all the different cheats you use
[\QUOTE]
As I said map revealing was most used. Then load/save a lot to get better result. Test play to see which city give me best revenue to my caravan. Of course, that's before markusf reveal the secret of trading.
But I never used them in any ladder game.

[QUOTE]
3) List examples of the people that you most recently cheated and what you did
[\QUOTE]
Hmm, I hope drake or deity won't see this. I did that with their last HOTWII dipo game. I suppose to sub for Chris(Mali). As a newbie in dipo world, I was eager to prove myself. Therefore after I get the sav file, I had a close look of the map, test played it a bit, found out that an ancient 2/1/3(1) warship can sail accross the ocean. But I don't have the tech yet. The current research : writing are going to finish soon. So I get a plan about what to do. In the game, I begin to begging for writing. my neigher drake don't want to offer me. Deity of Australia ignored the newbie of Mali. Only the maganificent Capo of Europa happily trade with me.

The result? please check the thread of HOTWII. Mali settled at New York one step earlier than EU.



[ QUOTE]
4) Give an example on how cheating made you number one in any of the ladders
[ \QUOTE]
Never.

[sekong]

Originally posted by markusf
The slower the player the more likely they are to cheat.

Hmm, not always true. espacially in a x2 x2 game. For players like me, I like to use my unit to explore huts arround. When you meet a river, it makes longer turn.

[SlowwHand]

"Hmm, I hope drake or deity won't see this. I did that with their last HOTWII dipo game. I suppose to sub for Chris(Mali)."




How very diplomatic.