Why do you Cheat

[Ming]

Originally posted by War4ever
we never did officially decide if preworked sets were a cheat or not...what is the consensus on that anyways

I don't really care which way we go... I've used it before.
So if we are voting... count me as a "why not"...

And hmmmmm... I wonder why no other cheaters have posted yet. They must not have any balls... unlike Eyes

[Hydey]

I cheated once, created non units, just to see how it works and what advantage it was, did it in a game that I knew would not be completed and that I was miles behind in . I have played in games where the winner was obvious fairly early on and someone has asked if they could try various suggested cheat so we all could see the results.

I see no point in cheating to win, defeats the point of playing.

[rah]

Sounds like our early games with XIN, right after MP came out.

We all cheated, trying to figure out what we could do. Every 30 minutes or so, XIN would say, found another one. It was always hilarious. After a couple of months we started to discuss which ones we would allow and which ones were banned. That was the beginning of "RAH" rules.

Rich

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight

Partial confession? I'm sorry, did I leave something out?

Not that I care anymore but....

You used that bribing protection on me. I bribed one of your units and you disbanded it after. Grrr. This was after the "last time you cheated" according to your "honest" confession above.

I'm sure there were other things too, but I don't really care. So feel free to write an angry response calling me a bastard or something, but whatever. No hard feelings, I don't care.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

I don't really care, but you're stupid. No hard feelings, but I think you're a total idiot. Who invented the disband while bribing bug? ME. I first used that bug on carnide. There were no rules stating that the bug couldn't be used and in fact at that point nobody knew how to do it yet. And you know what? I even came up with the click on the city see if the map moves. I even came up with the hit the space bar to see what city it is after you have trade. I've come up with alot of things that were eventually outlawed. However after everyone decided it was cheating, I stopped using it. Had everyone decided it was cheating yet? No. Were there other people that were using it at that point as well as me? Yes. Want to know another nice little thing? Bugs aren't cheating. They're unethical, but they aren't cheating. If it's in the game, it's apart of the game. The only thing that keeps people from using a bug is when the overwhelming majority of people disapprove of it. So if there was no disapproval at that point how is your last post even relevant? So even though your post was filled with stupidity and reflected your over all inability to think things out, no hard feelings.

[DrFell]

I've downloaded cheatomatic and tested it out on a zone newbie - I wanted to see how it worked and what was possible with it, Rah you inspired me to do that with your little question on icq. It was an interesting learning experience

[oedo]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight Bugs aren't cheating. They're unethical, but they aren't cheating

I wouldn´t agree here. I´ve seen huge bugs which were as powerful as cheatomatic. reopening huts for example. or a bug which allowed you to keep your shields after building an improvement, a unit or a wonder. even before these cheats were outlawed people should have realized that they were cheating when using these bugs. there´s no need to play any longer if everyone would use one of these bugs, that´s why I would call them cheating.
minor bugs like ship chaining, disbanding bribed units etc weren´t cheating before there was a general agreement about them.

as for cheatomatic: I can´t understand people are still using it. they must be complete idiots since I can´t think of any cheat which is easier detectable.

[oedo]

dp

[DrFell]

I'd like to know how cheatomatic, if used properly, is easily detectable Oedo. Sure any idiot can use it, but If you're smart (actually you don't have to be that intelligent to do it at all) and a decent player you can easily make it so you get a great start every game (empty huts=100gold, perhaps even unneeded units, say like an archer on the other end of the map from your opponent). Combine this with a decent knowledge of the game and you can give yourself an edge that will help you beat almost anyone and it's completely undetectable.

[oedo]

empty=100 gold is certainly a more intelligent way of using it. but in the long run, this one is also detectable. if someone uses this cheat against you only one time, it will remain secret. but you certainly noticed that some people cheat over and over again. an explicit evidence is not possible here. but when someone NEVER has an empty hut I´d call it an statistically proved cheat.

Lets take Kuja for example. He used to, and still does, use a hex editor to give himself gold. What he would do is when he got a hut that contained a tech or was empty he'd give himself 100 gold. So when you look at a saved game you'll see him get a hut with 100 gold which on first sight is completely valid. But then you'll also see him get tons of huts like this and even get 100 gold plus techs which is how he was caught...again...and again. Very difficult to find unless you look very closely at the saves and save every single turn.

need to say more?

[DrFell]

I was the one who saved the game against Kuja and I also was the one who suggested he gave himself gold when he opened huts (after Eyes analyzed the saves).

[DrFell]

And anyway, it usually takes concrete evidence for someone to be properly exposed as a cheater, not statistical evidence. For example I gave about 6 different games (Me vs Bud aka KaSya aka Merlin) to woke, all of which Bud started in a 4 special square and with him hosting every one (and he won 4 out of 6). Woke refused to dispute any of the games because he could not be 100% sure Bud cheated in the saves. He also let him off scot-free. Obviously I was pretty pissed.

[oedo]

cheaters should be aware of one thing: there´re a couple of players who enjoy catching a cheater almost as much as playing. (me for example ) I always considerd this as a game in itself. a kind of challenge. sometimes you win, sometimes you loose.

[oedo]

Originally posted by DrFell
And anyway, it usually takes concrete evidence for someone to be properly exposed as a cheater, not statistical evidence. For example I gave about 6 different games (Me vs Bud aka KaSya aka Merlin) to woke, all of which Bud started in a 4 special square and with him hosting every one (and he won 4 out of 6). Woke refused to dispute any of the games because he could not be 100% sure Bud cheated in the saves. He also let him off scot-free. Obviously I was pretty pissed.

I remember this guy. you can guess he cheated. I don´t even have to take a look on the saves for knowing that.

edit: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...&threadid=8845

[DrFell]

Yep but typically woke was being hard-headed and treating me like an inferior species.