History of the World 2.2 - V (Cuz 2 just wasn't big enough)

[deity]

Great graphic! Thanks Sir Francis.

An interesting point is that 4 civs are now level at the top of the pg with the Chinese zooming up in the last session.

So much for the big Aussie

[Rasputin]

one unfortuante thing with civ 2 is that is doesnt rescale the PG as time goes by so eventually all the major players appear tied at top , when i nrelaity the Australians in this game are far and away way in fornt, just look a the direction their climb was taking them beofre they hit the top scale mark....

No hiding from it deity you are the best so far....

[Rasputin]

Re: Great graphic! Thanks Sir Francis.

Originally posted by deity
An interesting point is that 4 civs are now level at the top of the pg with the Chinese zooming up in the last session.

So much for the big Aussie

Another interesting point is that for a "PEACE" loving natio nthe Aussies sure have lots of units !!!! 50% more than the combined Zulu/EU/Mali forces... Also looks like UAS (Mongols) have been building army for awhileoo as they have streaked ahead on size... Any combination of Aussie/Mongols or Aussie/Chinese would be very hard to beat.

Easpecially with the WAAR switcihing to Neutrality....

[SlowwHand]

Tribes is getting ready to begin at www.civfanatics.com

[The Capo]

Berlin, Germany; European Union...

President Churchill entered the conference room, his Security Advisor Andre Sully and his Vice President, and former General, Adriana Alessi flanking him. The room was quite dull, white walls with a large map of Europe on one side and a large World Map on the other. The table was round and grey, with six comfortable-looking chairs surrounding it. There were already two men in the room; Intelligence Chief Gustav Adolphus, and Admiral Francisco Franco.

"Gentlemen" said President Churchill "We have issues to discuss and not much time to do so, I have a meeting with a Union in Amsterdam in less than twenty four hours.

The two men nodded as Sully and Alessi took their seats, still flanking their President "The first order of business is intelligence, we have many groups attempting an insurrection of Europe, as well as some rebels causing problems to our neighbors. With the political situation at its current point we don't want to take chances. Our relationship with WAAR has almost diminished beyond repair due to the Turkish Radicals." started Vice President Alessi.

"Well" replied Adolphus "You have to understand that regardless of how much pressure we put on these people they are going to act towards their goals, its going to be impossible to totally stop them, but we can diminish their abilities to effect anything on a global scale. For example, we are currently in a huge mission against the Sons of Erin, an Irish Liberation Front."

"Not to be rude" said Churchill "But what I want to know is how Lenin was able to get away from his charges, I mean are our intelligence forces that shoddy?" he said, speaking of Lenin's acquittal based on lack of evidence.

"Sir, I-" stammered Adolphus, but he was interrupted by the President.

"The Turks have been neutralized, all Ireland is going to do is, if anything, lose an insignifigant island from the Union. But the Communists are doing the best out of the radical minor parties, not to mention their love affair with Mali. If they gain any power, any influence, any resources they'll be a problem. I mean they openly defile Jews and talk of WAAR Imperialism; if they took control they'd cause war with WAAR. We can't afford anything like that right now." said the President.

"If I might intervene here." said Admiral Franco "The Communists lack the resources to attain such influence, and if I might digress; our biggest area of concern should be modernizing our military. We must develop a New Model Army. We must use the latest technology that we have, develop an air force, a fast and potent navy. Our nation does not require a ground force, we want no wars of conquest, any war we would fight would be to incapacitate an enemy of freedom. Thus naval and air forces reduce both our lost manpower as well as our potency to disable our enemies rather than overrun them."

"I understand that Admiral, but that requires money." said Sully "We have Communists to catch, we have houses to rebuild, roads and rail-lines to construct, agriculture to improve. Security is important, but there is just no money. We have to figure out a way to make money and resources for these projects without dropping them alltogether."

"Yes, I agree Security does need more money." said Adolphus "We are very low on capabilities as it is, if you wish to catch these guys money has to be there, it won't work any other way Mr. President."

Churchill rubbed his temples "Ugh, now I know why Metternich did what he did. Listen, we can't raise taxes anymore, because right now we've pushed them too far up, and we're still lowering our scientific research to open up room. I'm afraid making it any higher would cause rioting." he looked up "We need a new form of income."

"Well sir, as we've suggested we should Federally support international corporations, to foster trade, which brings in taxes." said Vice President Alessi.

"And do what? Leave Athens full of potholes and trash heaps?" asked Franco.

"What else would you suggest Admiral?" she said "You know, this isn't your area of knowledge, it doesn't involve guns, drugs or women who you aren't married to."

"Jesus!" exclaimed Churchill "Adriana, please, we're not here for our personal qualms we have a job."

"I'm just sick of this sh*t, these guys did the same thing when I was in the service, they think the entire nation revolves around our military." she said shaking her head "With all due respect sir, we brought a Security Advisor, an Intelligence Official and a f*cking Sailor to determine what we should do about our current crisis!"

"She's right, this is ridiculous." said the President "Trying to take a stand in world events has only alienated us, its time for an isolationist approach, one that does not rely on the military as much as this one did."

Franco slouched in his seat "I had no clue I was here so we can all pat our asses about how wrong we are. Look, this is a military situation. When the non-military officials make a decision we have to answer for it, they decided to make a buck off of the Israeli's books. Guess what? We were called up, we had to go scurrying back to our safehouses in Africa because of that. Now what? We're ignored again." he shook his head "The power rested in the military, that's why Metternich and Pagniacci were so successful in rebuilding this country from what the Fascists did to it..."

TO BE CONTINUED...

[The Capo]

Letter from Eurokorps to President Churchill

Eurokorps Domestic Office
1500 Maynard Street
Paris, France

TO: Mr. Winston Churchill, President of the European Union.
FROM: Commander Igor Grozny, Eurokorps.

Dear Commander in Chief,

The following is a report of activity conducted by Eurokorps Brigades during the occupation of the Sudan following the hostilities of the Israeli-Mali War;

The first "incursion" we encountered were Zulu units west of the Sudanese capital Al-Kush. These units were boarding a transport in the Red Sea, despite this we let them know that we were there and kindly asked them to depart. They complied without any resistance. It is my personal opinion that they were leaving anyway, and may not even have recieved our message as no verbal or written response was proffered.

The second were Israeli units occupying northern Sudan, they were promptly told to head back towards Egypt. They stated that they would not be a problem and would rather stay in the area, when it was discovered that Israeli forts were just miles north of their position we asked that they relocate to those areas and they complied without problems.

No Mali units were encountered during the stay.

WAAR and the Zulus offered the services of their divisions towards the effort. The Zulus offered a regiment of infantry which were most helpful in securing the area of "Northern Chad," the Israeli nomads who still used spears (!) offered their support as well, this unit was disbanded in Ft. Leopold and reassigned a new position in our Alpine division.

From our nation three Alpine Brigades skilled in desert tactics were used to patrol. One of which headed east towards the Red Sea for possible straggling units from Mali and WAAR as well as a possible Zulu insurrection of the peace treaty, none of which was experienced. The other two were headed towards the Benin Basin where reports of tresspass and actual gunfights between Isrealies and Mali were recieved, as well as northern Africa respectively. The Zulu brigade escorted the Israeli soldiers in Sudan to their forts.

Upon the announcement of a possible attack from WAAR following the Khurdistan crisis, all units were ordered to return to Ft. Leopold and Al-Kush to avoid any ambushes. Thus our units never arrived in northern Africa or the Benin Basin.

The following is a political map of the situation following the War, involved alliances and other information is provided on this map:

<img src="http://members.aol.com/lbpslacker/mali-israeliwar.jpg">

Thank you for your time sir, I bid you a pleasant day.

Commander of Eurokorps,

Igor Grozny

[Rasputin]

WAAR High Council

" I tire already of the burden of leadership Madam Sarah, I now know why you so quickly withdrew."

"Yes Roberto, it isnt all beer and skittles being head of the most hated nation in the world"

"I always thought that was the Adriatics, but since their reformation into the European Union they have grown in stature in the eyes of the world. What must we do to achieve the same?"

"I think nothing we could ever do save self mutilation would please the world and even that would upset the ones who would rather they got the pleasure" she spat.

"Yes, we have been regarded as a rogue nation ever since Sun Tzu broke from the Adriatics and joined the Pacific Pact. We have moved away from the Pacific Pact and yet still the Zulus and EU regard us with distrust. Will our citizens ever know peace Sarah?"

"Probably not Roberto, the Mali are now our main enemy and they spread propoganda like a fire, and much faster than we can put out that fire with the water of truth. We are no match for their propogandists. "

"You are right there Madam, we struggle to keep news getting out to the world and ven when we get it out, we get no response from the world to know if it was effective."

"So your next plan Roberto?"

"Total isolationism. It is not where I wanted to head, but we have been forced into it."

"Isolationism?? What does that entail?"

"We shall no longer be involved in worldly affairs, we shall not hinder nor help others in their struggles. We hear of the Aussies apaprently researching to discover a way of this world. Whislt we too would love to get away from it all, we will not hinder nor help them. We also will not help others who's aim is clearly to attack the Aussies if they try to launch to space. We also will not hinder them by joining the Aussie side. We shall sit back and watch"

"But is that not likely to incur the wrath of the EU and the Zulus, they will claim not helping them is tantamount to helping the Aussies."

"We shall protect our own, and no one else"

"But Roberto--- "

"I have spoken Madam Sarah, the WAAR will close all national borders, the only exception being the transportation of Trade Commodities in or out"

[Rasputin]

OOC - archive of HOTW threads

I saw OZZy asking about the HOTW threads in Apollton General and he was informed to save them himslef, I have taken this task upon myself and will save all the HOTW threads , then I will clean them up a little to remove all the Crappy OOC comments and then send them to Drake for inclusion on the home page.

[drake]

Yaounde, Africa: Zulu discussions of the Mali Nation

<b>Mayor Jina Tattu</B>: General Shakeem, the people of my city are scared. They have never been so close to war before. It has never hit so close to home. We are only several miles from the Mali front and we saw the smoke in the distance when the Mali cities were hit by artillery. Our relief workers have seen scenes of great carnage and gore. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Mali refugees living on the outskirts of town, as you must have seen upon your arrival. We have the necessary provisions to feed them currently, but in time our surplus will run out. These people need their homes back and they need them now.

<B>General Shakeem</b>: Agreed Mayor, these people must be allowed to return home, but their leader is making it very difficult for them to do so. The Israelis have a firm grip on Northern Africa and I say the Mali should let them keep it. But they <i>have</i> to negotiate the return of everything south of the Sahara, particularly Timbuktu. Their government will never again have stability until the Capitol can be re-established. The Israelis want the Mali colonies in America and are willing to deal for them with African holdings. So why won't the Mali deal? Intelligence reports that the Mali's American holdings are small and un-developed. SO why the attachment?

<B>Foreign Minister Kaliid</b>: Shakeem, the Mali's pride has been extensively bruised. They have, in many senses of the word, been conquered. The Mali no doubt feel very resentful towards Israel. The Israelis surround them in Africa and they surround them in America. Israel wants America for their own and the Mali are refusing to give into this demand, not because it makes sense, but because it is further submitting to Israeli dominance. By accepting the Israelis demands, they probably feel as though they would be kneeling down to them as a slave would. Though I can understand this perspective, they need to be realistic and do what is best for their people. And that is getting back their African holdings. For such a small nation, they just cannot afford to be split in half. They need to consolidate and cut their losses.

<B>General Shakeem</b>: Obviously easier said than done though. The Mali are stubborn as hell and their pride is enormous. But we must figure out some sort of way to help persuade the Mali to do what is best, not only for them, but for Africa and for the west. We will keep our peace with Israel and abide by our cease fire, but that does not change the fact that we don't like or want them on our continent. America is foreign soil, tainted by many many people. Africa has always been pure of outside influence save the Nile Basin and we would like to see the outsiders leave as soon as possible. Let the damn Jews have America I say. Kaliid, you will be leaving for Nigeria on Thursday to meet with the Mali's temporary head council. Please do the best that you can. It is essential that Africa be restored.

<B>Foreign Minister Kaliid</b>: I will do my best General. Though I fear that the Mali's stubborness will continue. I have a proposition for you Shakeem. I believe the Mali are sick of hearing only words from us. If we were to offer some incentive, however slight to persuade the Mali, perhaps they would agree to the Israeli deal. The province of Skopje on the island of Greenland is a great outpost for trading in the Northern Seas, but it's strategic value that we had once anticipated hasn't been realized. Though it will not bring the Mali any glory, it is a good sized city that can accomodate many of the homeless Mali refugees. It could be a new beginning for many Mali people. What do you think General, do you authorize my proposition?

<b>General Shakeem</b>: I find that to be a most adequate idea Kaliid. Put it on the table. See if the Mali will deal. Good luck.

<b>Mayor Jina Tattu</B>: Good luck minister.

Kaliid nodded his head and left......

[Rasputin]

ooc - first attempt at Archive of threads

ok Drake, I have jsut run through HOTW part 1 .. please check it out and let me know if it looks ok, then i will do the other parts..

[drake]

Thanks for helping raz

Good work.

Keep sending the pages and I will make sure they will all get up.

I've set the ones you sent up on a simple page:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/history_of_the_world/apolyton.html">http://www.geocities.com/history_of_.../apolyton.html</a>

This will ensure that the posts are in an easily accessable area. I'll link it to the front page too.

[Rasputin]

updated

just did some reformating and added new pages Drake not sure if the formatiing will work on your webwsite !

D/L the new file as attached above ...

[The Capo]

The outskirts of Moscow, Russia; European Union...

<img src="http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/photo/1895-1917/1895-01.jpg">

The Guard looked curiously at the arrest records, Vladimir Lenin stood looking down at them himself. He could not believe that he was under arrest, that his civil rights were being violated; it was so perfect he thought, the people would see this and know the error of their ways.

"Alright Vlady, gimme your hands." said the officer grabbing his handcuffed hands and running their fingers on an ink pad.

"You know, one day you'll praise me." said Lenin, staring down at the ink pad, his strong jaw and brow jutting fiercly forward.

"Hah, the day you get me a day off from this dump is the day I praise your ass, c'mon, whipe your hands off." replied the Guard.

"That's exactly what I'll do, get you away from this dump..."

[belinda9]

Emergency council session

an undisclosed location in Accra

Presiding: Rashid binHakeem
Attending: Jabar Mouhmet
Akien Mwandu
Rasheeda Johnson
Claude DeBlule

Rashid: Gentlemen, lady (a nod to Rasheeda). Too long have the Mali people suffered from a loss of leadership; as a people we have been not only been decimated but demoralized. We five, representing our respective regions albeit without any authorization at all, have decided someone must take up the mantle to try to salvage what we can for the Mali people or decide to just give it up as hopeless and allow ourselves to be partitioned and cease to exist as a nation. Akien and I have been in En Nahud talking with our Zulu allies, and they are very anxious that someone take control and resume some form of government for the Mali. So let us talk amongst ourselves and see if we cannot arrive at a plan of action.

Akien: The Zulu leadership has been urging us to accept some form of the so-called Chinese Peace Plan --

Rasheeda: What?! Just turn over all the Mali in America to the hated WAAR? This is your leadership? To betray 1/3 of our remaining population and make them slaves?

Claude: Shut up, Rasheeda! The American Malis were already spreading dissension and revolutionary talk about becoming "free" from the motherland. Well, here's their chance. They can just concentrate on freeing themselves from WAAR instead of from the rest of US. (a glare to Rashid). Those of us on the Mediterranean never wanted to be separate -- if it means we get back our Med ports, why not? We no longer even have the capability to transport people and goods from here to there anyway-- don't you realize not one ship remains to us? Of course you do; that's why you're here instead of in New Timbuktu.

Jabar: But Claude, she has a point. Even without transoceanic access, America produces a huge amount of what trade we still produce. Even if we get back our African cities, they will have been raped and pillaged...if we get them back after WAAR has looted them, how are we to sustain ourselves?

Akien: Well, we could make that conditional as part of the transfer: that they return them with their infrastructure intact, just as we would leave the American cities as they are with the infrastructure they have.

Claude: Most of the infrastructure of the region still exists, though I hear there are rogue partisans in the desert pillaging the railroads. I believe we can get by until they get back on their feet. The Med ports and many of the cities on the southern coast can be productive for us again once we have them back.

Rashid: the damn WAAR is not even taking care of them -- they are just using them as factories to generate wealth for themselves. Have you not seen the pollution around Timbuktu? And they do not even care! And they have the gall to rename them! Damn, it sticks in my craw to have to deal with them at all!

Akien: No doubt, Rashid. We've all heard your hotheaded proclamations about what the Mali will or will not ever do, even though you have nothing whatsoever to back it up with. And what has it gotten us? Now we have Europeans roaming all over Africa, occupying Central Africa and policing the place while WAAR does basically whatever they want to, anyway. And though the Jews talk a good game in the world media on their willingness to be concilitory and work out a peace, they have done nothing but demand. Spies have been reported, too -- mark my words, we will lose more yet through bribery in the years to come if we do not do something.

Jabar: That has been internationally proscribed for centuries! Surely the world would not let them get away with that?

Claude: The damn world doesn't care, Jabar! That has been amply proven: didn't you hear of Dakar?

Rasheeda: The Malis in America will never accept being turned over to WAAR.

Akien: Well, then that would be WAAR's problem, wouldn't it? It's not like we're giving them a vote on it, anyway. Once the deal is done, they can accept their new place or they can do something about it themselves. War has not touched them with the heavy hand Africa has had to deal with.

Jabar: Well, then, if we agree to an exchange of all the Mali cities in America for the return of all African cities, what about the two cities the Europeans still hold?

Akien: With peace established, and the WAAR presence removed from Africa, there would no longer be a reason for them to remain in Africa.

Claude: What about Egypt? WAAR has stated they will never again agree to live within "striking" distance of any Mali. And you know they are not going to include Egypt in any exchange; not when it gives them control of both sides of the Suez Canal and they claim an ancient right to it.

Jabar: And what about military attached to these cities? You know WAAR will never turn over any troops based in these cities, and since we have no way to transport any American troops or engineers from America to here, we would be basically enlarging their army for them.

Akien: We could work out an exchange on that, too. They could reimburse us unit for unit what they gain in America to sustain our homelands against possible incursion by any other country that might seek to take advantage of our weakness, and/or give us back our engineers there. I believe there's only a couple of divisions left of them anyway. Any others they have could be withdrawn to Egypt within a prescribed time. And maybe they would agree to a mutually fortified border outside Egypt. That might be a sticking point -- but I don't think they really want the Europeans to stay in Central Africa anymore than we do, and the cities EU controls are not really geoprahically located all that well as a shield for Egypt against anyone but the Zulus.

Rashid: Maybes! This is useless talk. WAAR will only ever agree to what suits them, and they show no sign whatsoever of any kind of discuussion -- only demands. They spread propaganda that they show their willingness to negotiate because they have withdrawn troops into respective cities -- like that makes any difference when those troops are still only hours away from any city on the continent by rail! The Zulus talk and talk and talk, urging peace and a unified West, but what have we seen from them? Words. You can draw up whatever fancy documents you want, Akien, but unless they return Timbuktu to us as a sign they recognize us as a people to be negotiated with instead of rabble to be stomped upon it's all just useless talk and nothing will be accomplished. And if that's the case, they can just deal with rabble. All the west can deal with rabble. OK, maybe I shot my mouth off about my unwillingness to give up America -- it's MY home, after all; but unless we are negotiating in Mali-controlled Timbuktu, the world can go to hell in a handbasket as far as I'm concerned.

Jabar: I agree with Rashid on this. Return Timbuktu or nothing. Hard enough to back down from some fool declaring 'never' but this should be non-negotiable before we agree to work out any kind of settlement. And intact! War may have accounted for some damage, but Timbuktu had alot of city improvements, not to mention our national Wonders, what few we had.

Claude: That's right, Akien. Unless WAAR returns Timbuktu to us, we are not a people at all, and their failure to do so illustrates all to well to the rest of the world we were right all along when we say they show no willingness to negotiate with us. And I don't call giving EU African cities negotiating with us, either, despite what they say. Especially after they turn around and start squabbling with each other immediately afterwards.

Akien: (heavy sigh) What about you, Rasheeda?

Rasheeda:Why ask me? I was told to shut up! I categorically decry ANY plan that includes betraying American Mali to WAAR. Rashid should stand up to his original proclamations -- who is going to take you seriously now if you go back on a stand you insisted was unequivacol? Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say after you renege on that 'read my lips' crap?

Akien: So, what's your counterproposal, Rasheeda? No one has ever come up with any other plan; WAAR has always been greedy for land in the first place and they are not going to just give us back Africa because we say "oops, sorry" after Chaka went and played right into their hands! Don't get me wrong, I think Chaka was absolutely right in her assessment;however, I believe the outcome would probably have been the same, except her plan didn't work so we come off as the aggressors. If she'd have just let it alone, when the inevitable came at least the world could have been witness to WAAR's true colors

Claude: (snorts) Big deal! Screw world opinion -- it's not like it means anything! Blah, blah, blah. What are any of them going to do? They all have their own concerns, and it isn't what happens here.

Akien: Except the Zulu....

Rashid: The Zulu have a vested interest only in the proximity of it all. They just want it to go away so they can continue their world posturing; that's why they want us to make a peace regardless of how poorly the Mali come off. If we would just sit here until the end of time and meekly submit to anything WAAR or EU decrees, that would suit them just as well, as long as they do not have to be bothered with it. Which is why all we get from them is talk.

Akien: Still, they are the only ones who give us even that. They are all that speak for us to the rest of the world, harsh as it is. But I will pass this through the diplomatic channels. I may work up some notes on what we have come up with here, just in case, even though I personally think it's hopeless. But I guess we can at least come away with a general consensus that we may be willing after all to consider negotiations along the lines of the Chinese plan but that nothing whatsoever will come but anarchy and more war and upheaval unless Timbuktu is returned.

Raheeda stands so violently her chair crashes over backwards to the floor. She fixes them with a cold glare and declares:
"Well, I will NOT be party to any of this!"
And with that, she stalks from the room, slamming the door. The men watch with some bemusement and cocked eyebrows amongst themselves.

Jabar: What do you think she will do? Swim over to America and stir them up to arms?

Claude: Who cares? She could always travel east far enough to book passage on a Chinese ship if she wants to get there so bad. Let her do what she will. If we strike a peace, it makes no difference because what will America do anyway should we decide to concede it to WAAR? Any trouble they cause would be WAAR's worry. And if not, it matters even less, for there will be no Mali at all anyway.

On that note, they all solemnly looked at each other and then rose and went their separate ways.

[Rasputin]

Somewhere in Sudan

"See the engineers have committed themselves to a complete rebuild of the ancient city Commander Keen. The rail is already completed from Egypt and more supplies wil larrive soon."

"You have done well Mathew, how goes the rebuilding in Mali territory?"

"We have repaired all the buildings that can be repaired and removed the desolated buildings. Once those Proud Mali people finally agree to peace they should be pleased with how we hav elooked after their beuatiful citys. Not like the way the EU dealt with Khurdistan."

"Yes we are similar to the Mali in that we value honesty in handling the conquered territories."

"We still have lack of Engineering Units to complete the Rail line and remove the pollution that is coming from the Mali territories. "

"Yes I cant understand how they let them citys grow so big without adequate pollutiion control. And now the pollution is spreading all over Africa. Our African Engineers had been based in Egypt and Sudan and so we lost them all in the war. Hopefully once we hand them all over to the Mali they can utilise whats left of their Engineers to work on the pollution."

"Any word on peace Commander?"

"Not yet Mathew, hopefully your sons will be home by Christmas though, i hope so for my own daughter too."