History of the World 2.2 - V (Cuz 2 just wasn't big enough)

[Rasputin]

ooc ,, save game

didnt see any one posat one,m this one is just before my turn ended and belinda crashed... !!!!

[drake]

International Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty
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All undersigned nations agree to never test Nuclear Weapons. More specifically this calls for the fabled "Manhattan Project" to never be built by any undersigned nation.

No provision of this treaty shall be construed to indicate war between the undersigned and any un-signed or signed nation that tests nuclear weapons. Direct measures in response to any violator nation or any un-signed rogue nation is left to individual nation's foreign policy to decide.

The Zulus are ready to cooperate with the rest of the world in this account, but first the world must cooperate with a similar idea.

The most aggressive and selfish thing a country can do is not building the Manhattan Project, or even using nukes. It is building a space program. To work alone on a project that cuts out the rest of the world with selfish motives is much worse than building the Manhattan Project. Therefore, any nation that decides to persue the building of the Apollo Program should be regarded as a threat to humankind and should be treated as such.

Until the Eastern Nations agree to such a treaty, the Zulus will sign no documents. Why just the Eastern Nations? Well sadly, the Western Nations have been so caught up in war that our technology is quite lacking. No one has the technology to even attempt persuing such a project. And we certainly won't for many many years.

Once the East collectively signs such a document, the Zulus will sign the International Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty. Until then, we cannot promise anything. Thank you.

[deity]

the other posts!

I tried to start the next thread cos this one is over the limit but Ming closed it!

17th Feb:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1487

11th April:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1550

31st May:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=19876

14th July:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=22436

25th Aug:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=25214

27th Aug:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=25296

[belinda9]

A clarification:

The Mali have ceased hostilities with the hated jackboot oppressors of WAAR and we have abided by the heavyhanded so-called "peace-keeping" of the EU who have now been established all over Africa, even though they park troops all over our fields within our remaining city boundaries

We have done these things despite the fact that WAAR has not made ONE single gesture of conciliation; indeed, they have renamed our cities, all of which they continue to hold, continue to spread wholesale lies and misconceptions, actually attacked us without provocation on the southern coast, openly called for our complete dissolution and partitioning amongst the other world powers, and have not _negotiated_ for peace at all, other than to issue forth proclamations and demands that they assume will be followed. Also, despite public announcements to the contrary, and in keeping with their longstanding traditions of loudly and publicly speaking one way and then acting in another, no more than two build opportunites were ever available. Fine.

The single word missive referred to in the WAAR propaganda, which was wholly given out of context and without telling any other part of the exchange at all (in other words, deliberately misleading as is always their way) was given in reply to the demands that the Mali will relinguish their entire American popluation (HALF of our remaining population, I should point out) over to WAAR in exchange for A PORTION of our decimated, raped cities of Africa (i.e., those only in Western Africa not already split and looted as spoils of war by them and their allies the EU).

Let me make myself perfectly clear on this subject since it seems NOBODY is listening to me on this despite the fact that I have been repeating it for weeks.

Under NO circumstances -- for ANY reason -- will ANY Mali controlled American territories be conceded to WAAR or anyone else. NONONO (get it now?) You want to run the Mali out of Africa? Fine -- we'll take America.
MALI WILL NEVER TURN OVER ANY AMERICAN CITIES VOLUNTARILY. NEVER. Read my lips.
If WAAR wants our breadbasket of production so much, they will have to spend their resources in war to come and take them openly and by violence so the world can see the rapaciousness of their greed for land
oh, I forget. They've already seen and don't care.

(editing for spelling)

[Ming]

Re: the other posts!

Originally posted by deity
I tried to start the next thread cos this one is over the limit but Ming closed it!

Uhhhh.... what limit???? There is like a 500 post limit on threads now. If you want to start a new thread... please state in the first post that it is time to close the old one, and for all people to use the new one. Then there will be NO confusion on what you are doing!

[deity]

Disaster or enlightenment?

Originally posted by drake


The Zulus are ready to cooperate with the rest of the world in this account, but first the world must cooperate with a similar idea.

The most aggressive and selfish thing a country can do is not building the Manhattan Project, or even using nukes. It is building a space program. To work alone on a project that cuts out the rest of the world with selfish motives is much worse than building the Manhattan Project. Therefore, any nation that decides to persue the building of the Apollo Program should be regarded as a threat to humankind and should be treated as such.

Until the Eastern Nations agree to such a treaty, the Zulus will sign no documents. Why just the Eastern Nations? Well sadly, the Western Nations have been so caught up in war that our technology is quite lacking. No one has the technology to even attempt persuing such a project. And we certainly won't for many many years.

Once the East collectively signs such a document, the Zulus will sign the International Nuclear Test-Ban Treaty. Until then, we cannot promise anything. Thank you.

Zulus will not sign a treaty to save the planet unless humankind bans itself from the enlightenment and spiritual uplifting of exploring space??? Something that will benefit the entire planet!!

You are kidding?

Shakeem, this is not Epik and Suas you are up against

And it's not Monday night tales either.....

Prepare to meet your maker

[drake]

Saving the planet is exactly what the Zulus are trying to do. Are the Australians trying to save the world? I have to ask the world community if they agree.

Would a country that is "trying to save the world" always sit back and do NOTHING as the rest of the world is at war? Is it possible that a country trying to "save the world", might offer their aid in finding peace? Perhaps send in troops to aid in peace keeping efforts? Nope, they're all garrisoned next to Aussie cities. Every city in the Aussie nation is guarded like it's fort knox. Why is this? Why couldn't some of these soldiers be put to good use for once instead of gathering collective dust defending against an imaginary enemy?

The Australians <i>enjoy</i> seeing us all rip each other apart people of the world, do not think they don't. It's part of their plan. They are counting on us hot heads killing each other over petty, meaningless crap. Australia would not offer military assistance to stop any war, save a war against themselves. They don't look out for anyone but #1.

The Zulus present a statement very similar to that of the Aussies, making a ridiculous request as they have. Yet we acknowledge thiers and respond in a civil manner. But all the Aussies acknowledge our statement with is aggression. Why is this?

Is it because we don't have the power to back up our words? Is it because we don't "have the right"?

I know other members of the international community feel the same as the Zulus do. Well goddamit it's time to weed out who's with us and who's not. Stop cowering and beating around the bush. There will be no element of surprise countries of the West. The Australians are already prepared for war from every angle. They have been building up for this for a long time. Don't anyone let them convince you that they're not preparing for war. Look at their numbers for chrissake!

The Zulus are not declaring war on Australia, all we are doing is standing up to them. Those who wish to live free, let it be known. Those that wish to be Paul Keatings b1tch, let it be known. Stop riding the fence and come out with it.

[The Capo]

Newspaper...

Paris Post
March 3rd, 1575
1/3 Gold

Churchill: "There remains much work to be done..."
Berlin, Germany - After Parliament voted unanimously to return the vote of the executive to the people rather than individual states Prime Minister was elected President of the European Union. He is the first since Giuseppe Mazzini to hold this title. "There remains much work to be done" said the new President "A lot of infrastructure has to be repaired and diplomatic avenues must be reopened." The former Prime Minister signed into effect a bill that would create an army of Engineers for the purposes of rebuilding Europe's lost infrastructure as well as implimenting new railroads and agricultural centers. There is also a public works bill that would garauntee base improvements in all major cities. When asked about his plans towards recent Nuclear test ban treaties he simply said "We will do what we deem prudent."

Turkish Rebels Executed!
Istanbul, Turkey - Members of the TUA (Turkish Union Army) have been executed for their conspiracies against WAAR in their invasion of Khurdistan. "We have done no wrong, it is an afface to our nation that it is split between WAAR and the EU, if I had to choose between one I'd go with Europe!" exclaimed convicted rebel Gorlu Attaturk, he was executed days later. Recent reports indicate that the same organization may have been involved in the attempted assassination of WAAR President Roberto Audlinsky, however an investigation is pending.

European Forces Called Back in Africa!
Al Kush, Sudan - European Peace forces were called back last week when threats of another war with WAAR resounded throughout the area. WAAR Officials complained about an Israeli library who's books were sold, and was converted into a base of operations for occupation officials of Khurdistan. A fort that was used by both WAAR Troops and TUA rebels was also dismantled. When the words became even more volatile, with WAAR officials claiming that these acts were indeed "Acts of War" European forces on rounds in Ethiopia and Chad were called back to their Sudanese bases. "We don't see how peace will ever be achieved with such petty complaints" said Secretary of State Vittorio Rossi "WAAR uses any excuse for aggression, Europe simply refuses to allow this, we will not go to war over a library." When asked what may occur in the future Rossi said major attempts will be made to repair relations with WAAR, however they may prove difficult with the amount of tension in that particular nation.

"Peacekeeping" Riots in Moscow!
Moscow, Russia - After the statement by WAAR that actions may be taken against the EU for their occupation of Khurdistan, riots broke out all over Russia especially in Moscow. Protestors complained that their loved ones, and the soldiers of Europe were in a situation they did not want to be in and would be unable to fend for themselves far from their homes. "They don't have artillery, they are merely Eurokorps forces, Israel will destroy them!" exclaimed one protestor. A man known only as "Lenin" was apprehended by the EU Investigation Assosication after evidence pointed to his link with the Communist party which prompted these riots. Gustav Adolphus, head of affairs in that area gave no comment when asked.

[belinda9]

Re: Disaster or enlightenment?

Originally posted by deity


Zulus will not sign a treaty to save the planet unless humankind bans itself from the enlightenment and spiritual uplifting of exploring space??? Something that will benefit the entire planet!!

Perhaps we could hear the reasoning behind this statement? Exactly how is one nation running from the planet rather than working on the myriad of problems facing the planet enlightening, uplifting, and beneficial to the whole planet? Inquiring minds want to know

[drake]

Because it is

Do you expect the all knowing Aussies to answer such a petty question....

The answer is: just because it is......the giant has spoken.....stop asking questions

[The Capo]

European Statement

The European Union finds it disheartening that the world, in such modern times, would take a simple omission as a way of being aggressive. The term "aggressive" has been applied to so many things by modern humanity that it loses its meaning and thus becomes redundant and void.

Thus, merely calling someone aggressive loses its meaning, especially when applied to this situation.

The European Union practices no forms of aggression; our efforts to maintain peace in the Sahara is seen as aggressive by Mali, and WAAR and maybe others. We contend this on two points (a) we were in fact deemed the buffer state in this area of the world, a simple border between Zulu Sudan and Israeli Egypt is not sufficient to keep peace and (b) the constant complaints from Mali and Israel of units in improper locations further warrants a neutral presence there to maintain order.

Secondly our omission from signing any uninational Nuclear treaty is also seen as aggressive. Our nation has stated since the discussion even began that we value the sovreignty of others, an above that our own nation. It is against our very nature to sign into effect such a rule when it is concieved in a single nation, that is our only complaint to this. Further the very research and development it serves to protect the world against is neither (a) detrimental to society in and of itself and (b) an unproven theory about the ability to use atomic energy as weaponry. The European Union sees no solid and sufficient evidence for us to prematurely end this type of research. Why should we, being logical people, assume that this area of research is going to be a detriment to society? Human Genetics, which were thought by many pundits as a way to undermine the divine plan by "playing God" resulted in the cure for Cancer, thanks to our Zulu allies.

Therefore, who is more aggressive? The nation who blindly states it shall strike at anyone who researches an area of natural science, or the nation that peacefully states it shall make a decision when it recieves enough evidence to warrant that decision?

Again, it seems we stand alone in this simple form of reasoning, save the Zulus the world has deemed us a deceitful and aggressive nation. We feel this is unfair.

Further, the Israeli and Australian nations contend that the European Union is deceitful due to the actions of our military in Khurdistan. For all intents and purposes that military strike was made in a period of great chaos and strife within the European Union, a period that in many ways continues to this very day. Being racked by foreign invasion and administrative miscommunication rebels with our military's backing attempted to liberate Khurdistan and unify all of Ottoman Turkey. Our military had to intervene on the side of the Government and return the territory back to WAAR. During the course of this action the works of literature in the library were looted and sold off to private investors, the facility was then changed to a base of operations and now the Israelites claim that this activity was an act of war upon their collective population. Who, in this situation, would be the aggressive party; he who states a library is sufficient backing for an attack against a nation? or he who returns a province that it controls to a nation who was unable to keep it?

The European Union feels that the world has injustly jumped at propoganda no doubt funneling from Australia as a means to explain the evil they see in their own worlds. WAAR wishes to establish for its people a nation of aggressors so they may ignore the smoldering rubble and marching divisions in their cities that they must witness day in and day out. The Mali suffer the same pangs; their nation lies in war constantly.

As a means to help this phenomenon end, the European Union is attempting to remove the greatest contributor; armed forces. Yet we are called aggressive?

Due to these truths the European Union will move all four peace garrisons and will turn the Sudanese city of Al-Kush over to WAAR and will return the city of Ft. Leopold back to Mali. We will further claim neutrality in this conflict in case it rises towards war, we will omit any support to our allies the Zulus who in turn support their allies the Mali and will remain neutral.

Thank you.

[drake]

Some nations would take offense and call you aggressive if you farted in their presence Churchill....don't sweat it.

The Zulus are historians, just as the people of the EU. We are aware that Europe has often been used as a scapegoat, in the past, and now once again, some nations are trying to tag the EU as scapegoat in the present. Other leaders have a problem with a leader that is honest and tells the harsh truths. Honesty is not rewarded in this world of ours Churchill, which is un-fortunate. As a world we reward liars and those that write the best fiction. Israel has always been great at it. Masters in fact. Their stories are always entertaining, much like a storybook. But far from historically accurate.

The Zulus support EU withdrawal from the region based on the fact that they have been disrespected by the very people they were sent in to protect. The EU was set in place to act as a policing agent in the region and to neutralize threats on both sides, African and Israeli. They were there to help. But instead of respect, they were treated with hostility.

It is not a coincedence that Israel has been at war more often than any other country in the world. Israeli leadership has always been very hard to deal with on a diplomatic stage.

[deity]

Re: Because it is

Originally posted by drake
Do you expect the all knowing Aussies to answer such a petty question....

The answer is: just because it is......the giant has spoken.....stop asking questions

"Paul, I better handle this now, as your Foreign Affairs Minister... you meant well but your words are being twisted."

"I've got better things to do anyway. I'll go back to Broken Hill and see my scientists - the tests they are doing are so fascinating!"

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In a Radio/TV feed to the world Saul was being grilled about Australia's attitude:

"Well, I can understand that. The Mali are old sparring partners but we are looking forward now. We wish to join with them, the Zulus and ALL nations to make the world a safe place. Paul has seen the tests and test models show that a proliferation of these nuclear weapons would destroy the planet. We ask the world to join together and sign the World Treaty banning development of such powerfull and evil weaponry. This could herald a new era of peace! The Australians do not wish to flee a ruined planet. We wish to live in peace and harmony with all nations. If our peace-keping troops are required in Africa or the Middle East we are prepared to send several divisions - a couple of Armoured Units plus several Mechanised Infrantry. We will send them to the location as directed by the democratic outcome of the talks in the EU."

"What about the Zulu proposal to not research space flight?"

"We understand their concerns because theoretically space could be used as a strategic advantage, even with conventional weapons but we re-assure the Zulus that this would NOT be our intention. It is most important to us that all nations sign the Treaty. Australia has pledged NOT to build the Manhatten Wonder because it is not a Wonder. It is the Manhatten Terror!

We also will refrain from building the Apollo Wonder until such time as the whole world feels secure in space exploration.

We are so keen to get the whole world to sign the Treaty which in itself may precipitate a new era of peace."

"Thankyou Mr Saul de Notre, the Australian Foreign Affairs Minister speaking live via cable." (since satellites will probably not be built)

[Rasputin]

Facts!!!

We have done these things despite the fact that WAAR has not made ONE single gesture of conciliation

1.The WAAR has handed over to the EU two Provinces to insitgate the peace process.
2. The WAAR removed all units back within the borders of each province.
3. We handed over one defender (yes a weak one but it was the closest and only free one, the others having already been killed by Mali forces) as requested by the Zulus. (Not part of original peace plan)

actually attacked us without provocation on the southern coast

According to EU philosophy any attacks conducted whilts under the control of AI are not to be atributed to the main leader. The Zulus have also seemed to approve this by their silence. So the standard has been set.

openly called for our complete dissolution and partitioning amongst the other world powers

This was due in main to the fact that no agreement apears to be forthcoming as to how to achieve peace. Not even your allys the Zulu have com up with a suggestion.

The single word missive referred to in the WAAR propaganda, which was wholly given out of context and without telling any other part of the exchange at all

if others want the whole icq transcript they can have it !!! The No {Repeated} was a direct response to the peace paln suggested by the Chinese in which all America is given to WAAR i nexchange for african territory. That is 4 Colonies for 10. An offer definatly in favour of the Mali. We would prefer keeping African Territorys but the Zulu dont wish that.

Under NO circumstances -- for ANY reason -- will ANY Mali controlled American territories be conceded to WAAR or anyone else. NONONO (get it now?) You want to run the Mali out of Africa? Fine -- we'll take America.
MALI WILL NEVER TURN OVER ANY AMERICAN CITIES VOLUNTARILY. NEVER

As indicated in my resposne to the previous quote, the WAAR dont now nor never had intentionsof any land grab, we were attacked in an unprovoked manner and feel justly that punishment must be doled out. Handing back ALL conquered territory would be not only sayiung to the Mlai you can rebuild and do it again , but would be very foolish on our part. The only reasojn, and I again state that , the only reason the American colonies were mentioned is becasue theZulus refuse to allow WAAR expansion into Africa. If you wish to retai nthe Americas that is fine by me but speak to your Zulu allys to offer up a new proposal.


on to the zulus ....

The Australians enjoy seeing us all rip each other apart people of the world, do not think they don't. It's part of their plan. They are counting on us hot heads killing each other over petty, meaningless crap. Australia would not offer military assistance to stop any war, save a war against themselves. They don't look out for anyone but #1.

and yet despite this your rhetoric and that of the EU continues to drive wedges into any Western Coalition. Instead of chastising the Mali for attacking us and actively supporting us in the conflict you seemingly took great delight at the WAAR once again being called the World Aggressors. This type of verbal abuse and non support when attacked, is what is driving in wedges to the Western Coalition, this is what is making it soeasy for Paul Keating to leave this planet on the next Space Shuttle. All the propoganda in the world is not going to stop the Australains launching the SS. We are at the crossroads of humaity and need agreement not propoganda.

The Zulus are not declaring war on Australia, all we are doing is standing up to them. Those who wish to live free, let it be known. Those that wish to be Paul Keatings b1tch, let it be known. Stop riding the fence and come out with it.

The WAAR High Council beleive that peace is the only way the people of this world will win, so far the Australains hav enever attacked us nor have they in many centuries been involved in any war. Nor do they publish propoganda written in such a way to enrage the WAAR readers. So tell me once agian which side you think you would turn to. If you want friends be friendly!!


Due to limited time and space, that is all for now, we will repsond with more later!!!!

[drake]

Since I've been so lazy about the site...

I'll put this up.....I will keep the site updated so it can serve as reference, but the novelty has worn off I think, thats why I'm not so worried about keeping it current every week......